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An ice cream seller

By xwang
I saw him when I walked toward a transport museum in Hull. He suddenly appeared from nowhere,rushing towards the train, passing by a couple with a small child in a push chair, he stopped and handed something out for free. I couldn't work out what he was doing, only later I saw he was selling ice cream to the adult passengers on the train, I tried to take some photos of him. After his "business deals", he realised that I had a camera in my hands, he gave me a thumbs up, and a big heart's smile..
I wonder if I should work on this photo for the club.. the only problems are the shadow on his face and the image quality. I brightened up a bit on RAW. There might be a little perspective can be done at the train area..but I'm not sure. Thanks for looking. All comments, critiques are welcome.

Tags: Little General Train Man Hull Ice cream man

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ddolfelin 10 103 3 Wales
9 Dec 2015 10:31AM
Intense colour in bright sun - a good picture.
A lot of work involved to desaturate the background and I don't think it matters that much.
HarrietH Plus
12 303 Portugal
9 Dec 2015 11:22AM
A very colourful character and the children must love to see him arrive.

nonur 13 18 13 Turkey
9 Dec 2015 11:23AM
It's brilliant, jasmine. I think the shade on the eyes are quite natural as he's wearing a cap and the light is so strong and bright.
dudler Plus
19 1.9k 1947 England
9 Dec 2015 11:33AM
I don't think that perspective and the train matter too much. It's not far off, and not the focus of the picture.

The shadow on the seller's eyes is a difficulty, and I'm not sure if it's rescuable. Certainly, a lot of painstaking work on the levels would be needed, and probably involving layers... That scares me, but you may be fine with it.

The other thing is the building. It's big. It's red. And it's very much there. Would cloning trees over it be allowed? Is it worth it anyway?

I think I'd conclude that it would take a lot of work to be reasonably good, and the building and shadow mean it will never be outstanding.

Sorry - but it might save you a lot of work!
Nikonuser1 Plus
10 172 16 United Kingdom
9 Dec 2015 11:52AM
A very colourfull image JasmineGrinGrin

barbarahirst 14 27 12 United Kingdom
9 Dec 2015 11:53AM
I agree with dudler I would try to clone out the building
in my software you can lighten shadows... but not sure what you use
I have coral....not by choice I just have always had it
Bantu 8 7 1 India
9 Dec 2015 12:10PM
Not much modification required.

Mollycat Plus
9 21 2 United Kingdom
9 Dec 2015 3:16PM
It is what it is Jasmine. A happy ice cream seller.
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bliba Plus
16 1 2 Austria
9 Dec 2015 5:07PM
banehawi Plus
18 2.7k 4314 Canada
9 Dec 2015 5:11PM
Open it in RAW and then click AUTO for the exposure.

Thats whats done in the mod, with a little sharpening. At 70mm theres really nothing wrong with perspective.

I know this is a broken record, - you underexpose most of your shots due to how you use spot metering, and this is part of the issue here too.

Let me know if the mods works for you


9 Dec 2015 5:11PM
Fabulous colour and a nice composition Jasmine.
9 Dec 2015 7:25PM
I love the colourful photograph Jasmine he looks so happy to be photographed.

Patty Grin
xwang 13 56 8
9 Dec 2015 7:59PM
Thanks Willie.
I use spot meter to preserve the high light and also get the contrast, sometimes I can't totally depend on what the meter says at all, because it was too dark anyway.. without tripod, I have to get on with it..
Up to this photo;
When I started to take photos of him, he was in the distance under the shadow, at about 300mm range, I wasn't prepared when he suddenly came out and put a big smile on, so I just had a quick dial, and shot. I didn't want the top light, which was flashing lose detail, even the whole image is a bit underexposed,but it can be easily adjusted on ACR. I'll show you the default; +1 stop; and +2 stop screen shots.

Thank you all.
paulbroad Plus
15 131 1294 United Kingdom
9 Dec 2015 8:56PM
I like this, Jas. My kind of people picture. Strong and happy, but you just don't need all that background including part of the land train. Assuming this is not already a big crop the 5D should easily allow a lot ofcropping whilst retaining quality.

Is his face fully sharp on the big file.

Spot metering will do nothing that any other type of metering will not do. It is the most accurate method of in camera metering providing you meter from the correct tone, 18% grey or equivelant. I would try some experiments metering the same scene with all the metering modes and see what you get.

The only really foolproof metering is with a hand meter and an incident light attachment. You then meter the light actually falling on the subject. Even then, it can go wrong if you misjudge the light source. The old Weston Master with invercone is the classic and you could getone, second hand, quite cheap. it uses a Selenium cell, so no batteries.

I use a Sekonic L-308s when I have time.

dudler Plus
19 1.9k 1947 England
9 Dec 2015 10:11PM
All the metrics and measures are useful, Jasmine, but the real test is 'does it look right?'

In your screenshots, I think the light will show overexposure early because it is so saturated. You can ignore it, or hold back the highlights a touch. And it's the skin tones that matter most with a portrait.
cbrundage 9 4 United States
10 Dec 2015 12:16AM
A very jolly man and colorful photo - he has a sort of puppet-like look!
xwang 13 56 8
10 Dec 2015 12:27AM
Thank you Paul.
Quote:Assuming this is not already a big crop the 5D should easily allow a lot ofcropping whilst retaining quality.

No, it is original frame, I didn't do anything much apart from brightened up his face a bit.
Quote:Is his face fully sharp on the big file.
, I think it's fine, the best I can get..Grin I'll upload screen shot at 200% zoom for to have a look.
I heard that people use hand meter, some meter on the grass, or hand or sky.. I haven't got that fine detailed stage yet, mainly I have very limited time, I have to shoot fast and move fast.. I will have a look of the meters.
Quote: it uses a Selenium cell, so no batteries.
Sounds attractive.

Thank you John.
Quote:All the metrics and measures are useful, Jasmine, but the real test is 'does it look right?'
I agree with you.. I
Quote:n your screenshots, I think the light will show overexposure early because it is so saturated.

I don't quite understand what you meant, could you explain further please?
I know that light affects colour, and from Ronnie's flower photos , the colour looked beautiful, I never work out how he got these colours... I wonder if it is something to do with under exposure. The strong saturation on this photo is the result of underexposure. Does it have anything to do with whole image's histogram and warning sign?

Quote:And it's the skin tones that matter most with a portrait.
Good point!

Thank you all, again.
xwang 13 56 8
10 Dec 2015 12:28AM
Thank you Christina. I didn't see your comment coming...
dudler Plus
19 1.9k 1947 England
20 Dec 2015 5:01PM
Sorry for the delay.

What I was trying to say was that you can get the flashing warnings for overexposure coming up if an area is very saturated with one colour - such as the flashing orange light here.

So, to get an overall right result, you need to let it go, and not alter the exposure, as it will push you towards overall underexposure. Better one weak highlight than a whole picture pushed down the tonal scale.

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