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Australia Twelve Apostles

By Hattyharris
I took this photo to include foreground and landscape.
I would like to have critiquie regarding the composition

Tags: Landscape and travel Sea and coast

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saltireblue Plus
12 12.9k 82 Norway
21 Feb 2019 8:35PM
Hi Hatty...I see you want critique on your image. During the uploading process, there's a box you can tick (Critique Wanted) and that automatically brings the image to the attention of our Critique Team, who will give you expert help and feedback.
I've taken the liberty of marking the image for critique, which means you won't get any votes on it, just feedback from the team.
dark_lord Plus
18 2.9k 810 England
21 Feb 2019 8:57PM
Hi and welcome top epz (I see you joined recently) and to the Critique Gallery.

I like the fact you wanted to include foreground as well as the scene furhter out, as this gives the image some depth.
However, by including just a bit of the foreground it's like a fringe and is more of a distraction than a help. Just going a little wider with your zoom would have included more of the foregrpund for a more pleasing result.

I'd try to avoid the bare trees in the bottom right by adjusting popsition slightly. As they stand out against the water they're quite obvious and once noticed again it's a little distracting. Biut, they can be cloned out so it's not a big issue!

The horizon needs correcting as it has an obvious slope.
There's not many of us that get the horizon dead level at the time of capture unless we're meticulouis with a tripod!

So while your photo hasn't undergone any editing or post processing that's good to see here in the Critique Gallery as we can see exactly what your original capture was like.
And thank you for asking a specific question you wanted help withas that helps us to help you.

banehawi Plus
17 2.7k 4307 Canada
21 Feb 2019 9:43PM
You can also crop to remove the bottom,. at the same time you rotate to level the horizon.

Thats uploaded in mod2, which is also warmer (sunny white balance) and sharpened. It might have been hazy, which can soften the appearance of the image.

Coincidentally a friend of mine in Oz has just returned from a road trip to the 12 Apostles.


21 Feb 2019 10:19PM
Welcome from me too, Hattie.
I've nothing much to add to what Keith has said. But I think it's always a good idea, especially with landscapes, to go a bit wider than you think you need to... you can always crop afterwards, and going a little wider will give you more options. The composition you see at the time is one thing, but when you're assessing your picture afterwards, and can take the time to really think about it, you might see another composition you prefer. Going wider, just a little, can increase the possibility of that.
Looking at your composition as it stands, it's those bits of foliage bottom right that are spoiling things for me... they look as though they were included accidentally. A Golden Rule is to always check the edges and corners before you press the button... when you're concentrating on your subject in the heat of the moment, it's very easy for something unwanted to creep into the shot, and sometimes that can ruin your picture. Having said that, I rather like that little bit of tree bottom left, and with the square crop I've tried as a mod I think it balances quite nicely with the rock stack. Anyway, see what you think.

dudler Plus
18 1.8k 1928 England
22 Feb 2019 7:36AM
And welcome from me, too, Jill.

You've got good advice above, and I'm going to complicate matters by adding two thoughts.

It's a good idea to include some foreground, but in this case, you need a bit more - not a few bits as a fringe, but enough to frame the image all along the bottom. A little bit of foreground looks untidy, so try having enough that it's obviously a positive choice, rather than an accident.

I'd couple that with moving the horizon from more or less the centre of the composition: central subjects or elements often look a bit boring compared with things that are offset.

By pointing the camera slightly downwards, you could have achieved both of these objectives.

All the mods people have done show alternative approaches - I particularly like what Alan has done, taking a significant detail and making the picture all about that.
paulbroad Plus
14 131 1294 United Kingdom
22 Feb 2019 9:11AM
Nothing to add. You do need to be aware of tilting horizons, which are a classic beginner problem - and sometimes not beginners! There is a lack of resolution which seems strange at such a high shutter speed so I suspect focus. With this type of scene the camera struggles to know what to focus on.

I would not have gone wider, but tilted the camera down a touch to include less sky and more foreground.

pamelajean Plus
16 1.7k 2253 United Kingdom
22 Feb 2019 8:26PM
Welcome to the Critique Gallery, Jill.
I hope you are pleased that Malc put your picture here.
In the main gallery, you can received votes and possibly also awards, but not necessarily constructive critique, which I think is what you wanted.
And I also hope that the comments so far have proved to be helpful to you, and the sort of thing you wanted.

Please feel free to make comments in this section in response to the critiques provided. We would love to hear from you.

I like the way these rocks have been eroded, giving them a unique pattern that is very attractive, so I understand why you wanted to capture them.
I am assuming you didn't consider these rocks to be your "foreground", but I may be wrong.
By "landscape" I assume you meant the scene in the distance, behind those rocks.

It has been pointed out that a foreground needs to be a lot more substantial in order to be of compositional weight in the frame. If you had included more, I can then see that there would be more dimensions and a lot of depth in your image.
HERE is an EPZ article about foregrounds.

My thoughts are the same as John's regarding the amount of sky and lack of foreground. Just lowering your camera would have done the job and, if you had thought about it, you could have placed your horizon onto a thirds line, i.e. one third down the frame.
A good guideline to use in this case is to decide which area has the most interest, the water or the sky, and give up two thirds (on the vertical) to the one you choose.

I like the composition in Alan's modification, definitely one for you to consider.


22 Feb 2019 8:41PM
Oops, sorry... Jill, not Hattie BlushBlushBlush
22 Feb 2019 9:23PM
Thankyou for the comments.

I took a few photos of the Twelve Apostles A wonderful view I do have other photos with more foreground.
I'm learning about composition and aware of the thirds. I'm cropping photos now with more idea of where to have the lead in line to the object.
The comments are really helpful I'm glad I submitted the photo

dudler Plus
18 1.8k 1928 England
23 Feb 2019 1:09PM
Thank you so much for the feedback, Jill - we really appreciate being appreciated, and even disagreed with. A conversation is always welcome. Looking forward to seeing another picture...

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