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Bluebell fields

By HelenaJ
So I have been playing with this image which you might see is a variation on my last upload where the same girls are in a poppy field. They get about! haha. Anyway, I was trying to create atmosphere and make it painterly and arty but not sure I have quite achieved this. I attempted a texture, but deleted it because it didn't look right and have now used a graduated fog to soften it all down. Is this working or is there another approach I could try? All suggestions would be most welcome. Thank you.

Tags: Art Bluebells Character Digital art

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HelenaJ 10 3
20 Jun 2021 11:21AM
BTW I have added the same image without the fog as a mod. Smile
Buffalo_Tom Plus
15 2.3k 21 Wales
20 Jun 2021 11:32AM
This is a better picture than the poppy picture. The subjects are further forward and have more details which is great. Just enough mist to add atmosphere and details in the sky. The mist looks like it is rising from the fields. Good effort. Tom
dudler Plus
18 1.7k 1876 England
20 Jun 2021 11:52AM
I agree with Tom that this is a better shot, and I'm amazed at the ladies' stamina! They walk a lot.

My take on the mist is that it's a fine idea, though it maybe needs a little more care where you've cut out the figures. Toggling between your versions, I can see haloes, though I didn't spot them looking at the lead on its own. More observant people may well do so, though!

I think a tighter crop and a less oblong format work better, though you might want to reposition the seagull if you prefer a tighter crop!

Finally, my mod used Levels to add a bit more oomph to the shadows.
BarbaraR 15 1.1k 1 England
20 Jun 2021 12:32PM
Hi, these are good and fun to work. I thought the tall grasses against their skirts wasn't quite blending, so I tried changing to mix in with the bluebells and the pathway.

B. Smile
TrevBatWCC Plus
13 13 19 England
20 Jun 2021 12:33PM
I like this as it is, Helena, complete with fog, has a wonderfully atmospheric feel 👍
Trev 😀
HelenaJ 10 3
20 Jun 2021 12:40PM
Hi All

Thank you for your comments to date. I think Mr Dudler is probably right about the tighter crop and halos. I thought I might need to sort out the long grasses on their dresses too so thank you for pointing that out Barbara. All comments appreciated.
pamelajean Plus
15 1.6k 2237 United Kingdom
20 Jun 2021 2:48PM
I have been flipping back and forth, and have to say that I rather like your lead image. My only niggle is the grass below the ladies, simply because there isn't any long grass anywhere else on that path. I think you selected the ladies WITH the grass and left it there, against their dresses. Barbara has done a fine job removing it.

The ladies are nicely placed and blend very well into the scene.
The suggestion of impressionism is mainly there because this image is a lot like some of Monet's. I think you could work on that by going for a much more "misty" effect, though not necessarily a "painted" effect. But, as I said, I like this as it is. Your softening works for me.

20 Jun 2021 5:21PM
I think it looks great softened up. I would remove the rocks and sea! Just a thought. I feel there are too many landscapes to grab my interest.
The focus is the ladies in the field (in my mind).
Hope this helps.
mrswoolybill Plus
14 2.9k 2455 United Kingdom
20 Jun 2021 6:37PM
Hello again. I've looked at this a few times, I have been hesitant to comment as it's an area where I have absolutely no practical experience. But over the years I've seen quite a few composites in the CG, I have I think come to understand the factors that contribute to the result working.

First, the composition is delightful, graceful and inviting. In answer to your Description, I much prefer without the fog. I'll come to that later, because I think I have worked out why.

I have to say that this jumped out immediately as 'composite'. So I have been thinking about why that was. From my observation, for a composite to work there needs to be a high degree of correspondence between the photos that are used - primarily, but not necessarily exclusively - direction and intensity of light; focal length used; height of camera; focus plane; white balance; scale needs to look right, and crucially, so does that area under the feet...

I think Pamela has put her finger on it, it's the area under the feet - the ladies seem to be floating in a separate space. The grass is long around them, and there is no other grass in the field. There's no sign of it being trodden down, although the path is too narrow for them to avoid trading on the verges; it isn't disturbing the drape of the ladies' skirts.

Coming back to my first thought, I think this is why I prefer the version without mist - because that area under the feet is darker, more in shadow. That rings truer. So that's the area that to my eye needs further work. But I would be unable to do it!

Reading through this, it sounds harsh, which wasn't intended!
banehawi Plus
17 2.5k 4262 Canada
20 Jun 2021 6:59PM
What post processing software do you use? Im asking as it looks less like mist and more like a blur, and perhaps using a de-haze filter to create haze would be a better approach, and this may or may not be a tool you have access to.

Apart from that, I agree with comments above re appearing a bit too pasted in.

HelenaJ 10 3
20 Jun 2021 7:30PM
Thanks Moira not too critical at all. I appreciate all your comments and it is good to see your photo from other people's eyes.
In answer to Willie I used Nik colour fx to get the graduated fog but will investigate the dehaze method.
banehawi Plus
17 2.5k 4262 Canada
20 Jun 2021 7:31PM
Ive uploaded a mod using your original with contrast reduced, saturation lowered, haze filter applied.

I used the dehaze filter in the latest Photoshop, in a negative direction (adds haze) and graduated the effect.

dark_lord Plus
17 2.8k 784 England
20 Jun 2021 10:22PM
I think you've done well. The mist effect has helped the cutout blending in with the rest of the image.
However, it's the grass that's the problem area. As mentioned, there's no grass to speak of in this scene. I've looked at your previous image and it works much moe believably ther because there's grass all around. You gave yourself a very difficult task.

Looking closely the women are a little sharper than the bluebells that would be in the same plane. I'm guessing the women we shrunk down so there'd be a mismatch in resolution. Applying very slight sofening using the blur tool would be worth a go.
Robert51 12 7 124 United Kingdom
21 Jun 2021 8:32AM
Great image and one I'm sure could be taken down many different roads.
The mod I have tried to give it a much old look with that arty effect. I used the paint effect in Topaz black and white and then texture filter in PS. I then add a gradient effect and three different LUT in PS set to 30-20-10% for the colour effect. I hope you like it...
HelenaJ 10 3
21 Jun 2021 11:01AM
Thank you for the Mod, Robert. Looks very dramatic!

I think this has all been really useful information and I completely take on board everyone's points and suggestions. I realise when you create composites, the most important thing is that it has to look convincing, so long grass on the dresses etc, has to be removed. I probably need to work a bit more on the shadows and grounding the figures somehow in that particular scene. Thanks all!
mrswoolybill Plus
14 2.9k 2455 United Kingdom
21 Jun 2021 12:08PM
I don't know how you set about obtaining the basic landscape photos for this sort of work, but if you take shots deliberately for the purpose, can I suggest that you maybe try to take an extra shot with someone standing in the intended position - to see how shadows fall, how scale works etc.

And Keith's comment about focus is important - as I said in my previous comment, the figure needs to match its surroundings.
Owdman Plus
5 6 23 United Kingdom
14 Jul 2021 11:30PM
I think with composites you need to have a good idea of the story you wish to tell, my problem with this composite is I think the hills and the sea don't like they feel like they're part of the story. Something that would add depth into the distance would work well. I then ask what the figures are doing there, perhaps something else needs to be added to the picture. The direct gaze out of the image is challenging which feels a little out of place in the field. I've done a very quick mod and changed the background using the first picture I came across with a bit of distance in it, so not particularly good. A couple of colour overlays added to improve the blend.
HelenaJ 10 3
15 Jul 2021 8:42AM
All good points Me Owdman. Thank you. The photo was taken on Skomer so the sea was unavoidable but I think I should experiment with the background, maybe even cropping it off completely. The message was just about 2 girls taking a walk but maybe I'll work up a more interesting storyline with additional elements. Thanks for taking the trouble to do the mod. Much appreciated. Helena

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