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By whipspeed
Put this up in the main gallery yesterday and it bombed completely, no votes, no comments. Yet the images of the lady in the gym did quite well.
I quite like this one, I wanted a sort of retro, grungy old style boxing club shot of a boxer looking into the mirror.

Anyway, any thoughts as to what is wrong with this one or what you like about it or how it could have been done differently would be appreciated.

It's the first time I had done an indoor location shot like this and with someone I didn't know, although my friend does know him, which made it a bit easier.

Tags: Black and white Portraits and people Sports and action

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RAPjones 10 1 1 United Kingdom
13 May 2011 11:05AM
...I didn't like to say, incase he read it!! He just doesn't look the part: No eye contact, he's too good looking, looks like a male stripper with that body... He generally looks uneasy whereas the famale looked confident and quite hard as you would expect for a boxer. Just my opinion...
JackAllTog Plus
12 6.3k 58 United Kingdom
13 May 2011 11:13AM
Nothing much wrong apart from its not a girl Wink and the bloke did not catch the eye of the female epz voters. (I did not see it yesterday, or many others either).
But from a photo point of view, i like the dual light, the light on his front shows of his pecs quite well, and the bright light on his back seperates him from the background well.

The mirror shot is neat but it does not add much for me, it loses subject size and clarity and inverts the clock and wrighting. I'm not sure if he is in the centre on at a rule of thirds intersect.
I think he is too passive for the title of boxer, looks more like a wrestler with the baggy pants and boxer shorts showing. His expression is a bit passive, and his pose has little action. There is more that could be taken from him but i think it comes down to getting a better pose.
The background round his feet is a bit cluttered and the photo's on the wall are neither in or out of focus.

I hope you get to shoot him again as he should make a good subject but need to engage more with the viewer.

whipspeed 16 4.2k 22 United Kingdom
13 May 2011 11:15AM
Thanks Roger & Stuart, I did think he was rather nice looking and he was also so nice, polite & helpful. He's also never had his photo taken like this, so that probably accounts for him looking uneasy, whereas Sam is very confident with the camera.
I'm going to go up there again, so if he's up for another go I might try getting some different expressions.
I've also got some of him working out and on the lat pulldown in particular the muscle definition on the back is very good.
frz67 11 10 32 Italy
13 May 2011 1:56PM
Hi Sarah,
I think there a few issues that are responsible for the lack of interest in this picture. The firt two can be fixed in PS and I've uploaded a mod.
the first one is that from the thumbnail the picture appears a bit flat, without contrast. The tonal range is quite good but the figure is kind of melted in the BG. As Stuart stated, the light on the rim of the body is good, but the rest of the body is almost indistinguishable from the BG.
The second issue deals with the lines. Except for the horizontal mirror's frame in the lower part, the vertical lines and the ropes are leaning to the right; this conveys a sense of disorder which is not very appealing in a picture like this.
The other two issues require a new shot.
I think is important that in such pictures, the gaze should point directly in the camera and, secondly, we are used to see boxers in a more dynamic pose, maybe a bit sweat and definetely with the gloves on.
hope it helps
best regards

whipspeed 16 4.2k 22 United Kingdom
13 May 2011 2:12PM
Thank you for the input Francesco, it's all helpful for when I have another bash at this.

dathersmith 14 565 12 United Kingdom
13 May 2011 10:16PM
Hi Sarah,

I know what I'm thinking but not sure I can get it into words! The comments regarding eye contact and pose are spot on but also for me the mirror is adding nothing in fact I struggle to make it out apart from the clock and writing (I know I said similar about the shot of your friend in the mirror too). I liked the pose of your friend when she was in the ring leaning on the ropes looking into the mirror but you need to be able to immediately make out its a mirror. Maybe if you can get this guy to model again get him in the ring in shorts and with his gloves on after a workout so there is sweat on his body. Get him to lean on the ropes (as your friend was) and look into the mirror. If you get in the ring with him you could get his sweaty back in the foreground and shoot with a wide aperture so it is out of focus and its his reflection that is the focal point. Hope this makes some sense Tongue

whipspeed 16 4.2k 22 United Kingdom
14 May 2011 10:21AM
Thanks for the input Darren. I have got an image of him leaning over the ropes, not in a mirror, so might post that to see what you think. He does seem to have a nice rather than agressive face, so will have to try to get some snarling another time Smile
paulbroad 13 131 1293 United Kingdom
16 May 2011 6:39PM
I think you needed to get in much closer on his upper body and then needed some dramatic lighting. If you look closely at the upper body, the tones are very similar, hence a bit flat. The bottom line is a lack of impact from the image - it's just a chap standing there, looking at the camera.

whipspeed 16 4.2k 22 United Kingdom
16 May 2011 10:55PM
Thanks for the input Paul.

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