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Cosmic evening

By jeronius
Here is a second shot from late Friday night. This was taken about 9.30pm in the company of several other photographers, all very friendly and good company.

This was taken with iso 100, f22 and long shutter speed to try and give the wreck some detail, using a hard grad Lee 0.6nd grad.

The only real processing here was to recover the sunlight as it was rather blown out, and a slight increase in contrast.

I hope you like, please feel free to give me critque.

Tags: Whitby Saltwick bay Landscape and travel Night and low light The nab

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Beautiful shot

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dathersmith 11 559 12 United Kingdom
13 Jun 2010 4:48PM
Lovely colour.

steve263 8 2 United Kingdom
13 Jun 2010 5:02PM
A simple well composed photo that would not be easy to do.
phil99 11 45 6 United Kingdom
13 Jun 2010 5:13PM
A lovely well composed shot. light / colours /tones all great ,. Deserves to do well Jerry ....Phil
13 Jun 2010 5:27PM
Great shot. Love the colours.

W1ldside 8 29 United Kingdom
13 Jun 2010 6:07PM
Superlative Image
andy_AHG 9 106 6 United Kingdom
13 Jun 2010 6:15PM
Beautiful image Jerry.

Dennis_Bromage 10 45 20 United Kingdom
13 Jun 2010 6:54PM
Hi Jerry. Can I be a bit critical and offer some advice on this image? The sky is way over graded in general and the area around the setting sun on the left is way too dark and way too yellow. I can see what you were trying to achieve (both in camera & in post processing) but IMHO the effect is over the top. I think people get too hung up about not having blown out highlight (on epz in particular) when in my opinion the highlights should be blown around the sun. When on site I always ask myself the question, can I comfortably look at the sun myself and if I can't then it needs to be blown out. Having a bright area gives the image drama and life. The sky should also be brighter than the reflected light. What I would do is reprocess and not recover the highlights or at least not as extremely.

I must also say that I do really like the image and the reason I'm pulling it apart is that I think it deserves reprocessing as there's an even better image in there trying to get out.

I also realise how difficult it is shooting straight into the setting sun. What I do in these situations is use 2 or sometimes even 3 light grads rather than one strong one. This means you can stack them at different levels allowing you to balance the reflected light and the direct light at the same time and also avoiding the problem of having a sharp contrast at the point of transition on the filter.

You have left a lot of comments on my images in the past so I'm hoping my opinion helps and is constructive rather than over critical as I would hate to think that I have offended?
LeighRebecca 10 267 10 England
13 Jun 2010 6:55PM
Lovely composition and colour. If it were mine, I would just try to adjust the darkened area of sky around the sun, as it is darker than the sky further along (especially between the sun and the nab). I think a little bit of burnout would be preferable, as it would look more natural. Hope you don't mind the comment. It's a lovely shot, and I think that would improve it.

edit - Dennis has left a similar critique. looks like we've posted at the same time. At leaast that suggests the change is worth a try. Smile
andylea 9 37 1 United Kingdom
13 Jun 2010 7:14PM
wonderful coloues and light love the fg nice one Wink
13 Jun 2010 7:36PM
Nice shot... great place
iansnowdon 8 7 2 United Kingdom
13 Jun 2010 7:40PM
A beautiful image Jerry. But with the crytism from Dennis and Leigh this could be a stunner... Something we were talking about on Friday?
jeronius 9 1 1 England
13 Jun 2010 7:58PM
Thanks so much for so many positive comments. I can only learn from the comments left and therefore value them all very much. I have tried to re-edit as suggested by Den, Leigh and Ian. If you revisit I would love to hear your further advise.
Cheers all, Jerry
NEWMANP 10 1.6k 574 United Kingdom
13 Jun 2010 8:21PM
absolutely brilliant critiques from Leigh and Dennis

its actually not far off, just a little over cooked and saturated in the sky. its not much just looks a little too much forced. but its a great shot view of an excellent location. id have thought 0.6 was a bit light for that one id have gone 0.9 min and poss a 0.9 hard and a 0.6 soft together that i think, would have saved all the post processing

jeronius 9 1 1 England
13 Jun 2010 8:55PM
Cheers Phil, I have to admit to being a bit of a novice with filters. I started off with an ND filter starter set by Cokin, but everything came out purple, so I am moving into the Lee system as recommended by Den a few months ago. Never looked back, but obviously expensive stuff, since this is a serious hobby rather than a business I have to buy now and again. I shall attempt to keep buying bit by bit.
Cheers again.
LeighRebecca 10 267 10 England
13 Jun 2010 10:23PM
Hi Jerry. Glad we could be of help. Of the three v2 is definitely the best for me. From that stage, I would tend to use a gentle downward pull on curves (perhaps slightly s shaped) but only use it on the sky area by masking the layer. The difficult thing then is to make sure the edge after altering is not visible between sky and fg. Then I might use a gentle s curve on the land part, again masking and paying lots of attention to the areas where land/fg meets sky, and not producing any unnatural changes.
Hope that helps.
jeronius 9 1 1 England
13 Jun 2010 10:32PM
Cheers Leigh, this makes sense, so I shall have another go.
cassiecat 9 39 46 England
13 Jun 2010 10:33PM
some good advice i'll try and heed. for me its v2, would like to see something between v2 and 3.lesley
dmhuynh72 10 44 3 United Kingdom
14 Jun 2010 9:33AM
good critique from den, phil and rebecca. If it was my image i would crop and lose half the sky as at the moment the sea horizon is right in the middle.

Dennis_Bromage 10 45 20 United Kingdom
14 Jun 2010 10:46AM
Hi Jerry. Great to see V2, It's not actually far off at all in my view. What I would have done at the point of capture is put a hard 0.6 grad right across the horizon then use a second soft 0.6 pulled down low to balance the reflected light with the darker area in the bottom right. One thing, are you shooting in manual? if not you need to as if you use AV the camera fights the grads and stops them working properly. If you had done this I think you would have had very little processing to do.

I'm no expert on post processing if I'm honest as all I normally do is use levels and curves to make the RAW file look like the image on the back of the camera but if it was me I would try the following;

1. Go back to the RAW file as we see it as V2 and decrease the exposure by maybe 2/3rds of a stop till the majority of the image looks correctly exposed. The bottom right will look too dark.
2. In Photoshop overlay this new darker image as a new layer on top of the original light image and use a very large & very soft erase tool set at say 25% to erase back to the lighter image below where it's too dark in the bottom right corner. Effectively simulating the effect of a soft grad.
3. Flatten the layers then tweak the levels and possibly apply a very gentle 'S' curve and that should be about it Smile
NEWMANP 10 1.6k 574 United Kingdom
14 Jun 2010 5:41PM
tell me about the cost of lees mate, i just unwrapped a 0.6 hard and dropped it into a wave--dont know even now if they sink or float!!! ;(
Lorn 8 United Kingdom
16 Jun 2010 10:23PM
Hi Jerry

since commenting on your earlier image, I have had a look at some others - really nice shots, I have enjoyed viewing them.


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