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Crop & Church ...

By sut68      
Carrying on from the previous two uploads from this location, if those were 'slow burners' then this will probably have difficulty getting lit Wink

This one was taken on the second evening there. Used a wider aperture and a lower viewpoint to help knock out the fg crop a little more for this one and kept the distant trees and church the main focus. Focus point this time was on the church Trancept itself to assist with the shorter DoF. The slightly later time helped with some tree shadows across the Barley.

No seagull on the tower for this one Grin

Again, when I get home later I will check the metadata and update the EXIF data on here.

Cheers for your time on this and the previous ones, weekend's nearly here folks Grin


Tags: Mono Church Trees Architecture Black and white Tracks Landscape and travel Barley field

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Richsr 11 91 223 England
3 Jun 2011 9:04AM
Like your execution of this one Paul, good lead line and shadows to hold your interest across the mid ground.
Some nice light of course too.
Regards Richard

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sut68 14 2.0k 76 England
3 Jun 2011 9:10AM
Thanks Richard for getting this far ... have a great weekend.

LesF 11 182 9
3 Jun 2011 9:19AM
May be the best of this little series for me Paul. The low view point, the DOF, light on the church and trees and those shadows across the barley all working so well in mono, yep me likes

cats_123 Plus
14 4.8k 28 Northern Ireland
3 Jun 2011 9:53AM
stunning mono shot Smile
BillyGoatGruff 11 191 199 England
3 Jun 2011 10:05AM
I'm probably going to be the only detractor here, Paul. But, hey! it's me! Wink

I like the framing once again and of course flawless technique in shooting and processing, although I think I may have gone for a slightly darker sky and foreground to add more emphasis to the church and echo the short Dof.

My biggest issue, however, is really one of artistic intent.
I'm not convinced that the short Dof and low viewpoint are really working as you intended.
The emormous bulk and brightness of the out of focus foreground act more like a barrier than a subtle frame for the subject: the church.
In the previous shots this wasn't a problem because of the higher viewpoint and the short DoF worked really well, but with this shot I think that the very large area occupied by the OoF foreground and the lack of space above the top of the spire are working against your intended concept and unbalances the image considerably.
As is, the image would have been better if you'd used exactly the same approach in portrait format which would provide more sky and therefore a neat little "pocket" of sharpness occupied by the subject within a frame of blurriness.
For this particular composition I think long DoF was the way to go and would have made better use of the lead-ins, although that does present the danger of producing a "biscuit tin" image! Which you were, clearly, trying no to do!

Anyway, that's my two-penneth worth! Smile

Doubtless you will disagree and kill me if we ever meet! Tongue


Still, technique and intent gets a click from me, even if it didn't quite work for me!
LesF 11 182 9
3 Jun 2011 10:10AM
How different we see things Bill, but hey that's life

BillyGoatGruff 11 191 199 England
3 Jun 2011 10:10AM
Yep! Wink
sut68 14 2.0k 76 England
3 Jun 2011 10:27AM
LOL ... sort him out Les Wink

No time to write a big write up Bill, maybe lunch time Smile
sut68 14 2.0k 76 England
3 Jun 2011 1:19PM
I wouldn't expect anything less from you Mr Barraclough ... good honest critique that is.

I tend to post shots on here I am happy with ... but that doesn't mean that everyone has to agree with them now does it? Approximately 50% of people have obviously agreed with you but not said why, so I thank you for your time.

This shot was taken on the second evening trip there and the amount of DoF was what I set out for when we came across the field. The previous shots were from the following evening when I decided to head out and try a slightly different approach [more detail in the scene] - which you seem to prefer. I think both have merit but I do feel this is a more graphic approach to that of the softer version uploaded previously ... but I do like them both even though they are poles apart.

In general I was more happy with this shot in mono than I was with the colour version because it lifted it for me and gave it a different ambiance ... whether the conversion works is a subjective one I suppose, so I don't expect everyone to agree with conversion. I am more than happy with the overall effect of the DoF and composition as I achieved what I wanted on this occasion, therefore I don't readily agree with all your points ... no surprise there then Wink but that doesn't mean you're wrong at all, quite the opposite in fact. I do have others from that evening with a little more sky, but the didn't grab me as much as this because the effect was lessened.

As you say, biscuit tin wasn't my aim ... especially for this one Grin

Cheers again for taking the time ... I won't be killing anyone, I have some contacts who might be tempted though Tongue Wink

Edit: Hopefully your comment will go green though ... I have suggested it for CC.
BillyGoatGruff 11 191 199 England
3 Jun 2011 2:08PM
Ha ha! I am gald I'm not on your death-list Wink
Great explanation, Paul!
As with all your images, I have never found there to be anything accidental or unintentional about them!

I think also that without having a different opinion (such as mine in this case) it is often easy to become complacent about making images, whereas when faced with an opinion which is different from one's own it enables one to examine the "why" behind making the image in that particular way, as you have so ably demonstrated.
A learning and thought provoking dialogue for all, I think and hope, and which also leads one to think about what actually makes an image a good one.

I think that Les summed it up quite nicely, as it happens! Smile

Thanks for sharing your reasons for doing it this way rather than that way.
As you say, there aren't any rights or wrongs here, merely an exchange of ideas.

Have a good weekend! Grin

Daisymaye Plus
9 23 16 Canada
3 Jun 2011 2:08PM
Gives me the know those people who walk for miles to go to church, like in a dreamstate then there's this light and there's the church they've been walking for days to reach. Like a mirage in the desert feel. I know my imagination runs wild. But love this.............Sandy
Eviscera 11 1.1k 149 United Kingdom
3 Jun 2011 7:57PM

Quote: Approximately 50% of people have obviously agreed with you but not said why

Probably cos they fear the wrath of the Sutt !

Good crit from Bill with all that dof and stuff.

From an arty pov , I just find it a little annoying. Its not the proportion of fg to mg bg , its that lead in line.

It points to a messy clump of trees with the main event (the spire) virtually covered by another tree.

Mono is working with those raking shadows.

Pro tip:

Chainsaw the big tree or get farmer to drive through the field a little further to the left and re-compose the lines Wink

Good weekend mate.
redstag 12 100 15 United Kingdom
4 Jun 2011 7:28AM
This strikes me as having been a difficult subject, get all the church in and the track in the barley doesn't work, get the lead in and the trees hide the church, of the series I like this composition best I think, perhaps I'm just a sucker for mono!
Some excellent critique, think I agree more with Eviscera than Bill, but there you go! Hope there are more to come, I am enjoying seeing the progression!
sut68 14 2.0k 76 England
4 Jun 2011 2:32PM
It didn't strike me as being that difficult at the time Jon ... that only came after posting Wink

Seriously though, it's been great [and refreshing] having such good critique from all concerned. It's all been heart felt and valid and taken on-board ... though I reserve the right to disagree with some of it ... but I hope that anyone looking in has benefitted from these comments and can see that what does it for you doesn't necessarily float another person's boat and vice-versa.

Cheers guys, means a lot ... have a top weekend all Smile Smile

Chant57 Plus
12 395 3 United Kingdom
4 Jun 2011 7:08PM
Well, Ive read the critique and there has been some good, honest, and enlightening critique too. Which is incredibly refreshing.
the out of focus foreground doesnt bother me one jot, I love the lead in lines through the crop, its pin and I do mean Pin sharp where it needs to be. I can see and understand Evisceras comment re the lead in lines leading to the partly obliterated spire. Does it bother me? I would be dishonest if I were to say it didnt bother me one jot, however it doesnt bother me enough to spoil my enjoyment of the image. For the simple reason, that , once my eye has followed the lead in through the crop it immediately is drawn to the main fabric of the church building and that delightful cloud sitting just above it. A brave choice to render this in mono - but it works.
sut68 14 2.0k 76 England
5 Jun 2011 6:46PM
Thank you Chant, lovely to hear from you too. Hope you've had a great weekend Smile

Nick_w Plus
10 4.3k 99 England
10 Jun 2011 11:52AM
TBH Paul, I didn't get chance to give this a detailed crit earlier this week (and I was looking on a C**p screen).

First off hats off to you for some of your latest experiments (CS5 focus stacking, Panos this etc) - tho I'm warming to content aware Wink

I know this is something you've been looking to produce, we talked about it in the Cafe, that morning. I think Bill & Dave have some excellent points, the lead in is a bit confusing with the DOF Blur good / bad I could argue the case both ways. But for me the Church doesn't make quite enough of a statement, for me at least at 1000px. The problem with using selective DOF for the background is your eye just goes straight there. Just a suggestion (as much for people reading this later) a child (or artistic nude woman) looking at the church from behind 1/3 of the way in focusing on them may have lifted this to a completely different level.

All that said, if I were to see this in a gallery, printed large against say your usual (very, very high quality) work I would probably spend far more time looking at this.

As you can tell my **** is squarely placed on the fence, but the image has created a lot of well thought out and well meaning comments.
sut68 14 2.0k 76 England
10 Jun 2011 12:20PM
You'll get splinters Nick Wink

Again, some great critique and suggestions ... particularly like the idea of a person in it looking towards the church!!!

Cheers mate, enjoy yer weekend.

Nick_w Plus
10 4.3k 99 England
10 Jun 2011 12:25PM

Quote:You'll get splinters Nick Wink

Not if i'm wearing the cycling shorts Wink

I meant to say congratulations Smile
sut68 14 2.0k 76 England
10 Jun 2011 12:31PM
Urgh, what a revolting thought Tongue

Cheers Grin
Nick_w Plus
10 4.3k 99 England
10 Jun 2011 12:37PM
Just another thought ... the person, an old woman in her Sunday best.

Anyway have a great weekend

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