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Dahlias early morning

By Jas2
I wanted to capture these beautiful dahlias in my garden in the early hours today

Tags: Close-up and macro Dahlias

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dudler Plus
15 877 1496 England
6 Jul 2019 11:14AM
Thisi s quite dark, and i wonder if part of the reason is that you have a big white border, visible only on downloading, which may be misleading if you are lookign at the histogram with it as part of the image. My mod trims the border, and then used Levels to brighten things.

A couple of other thoughts: 1/30 second is a real risk for subject movement. The slightest disturbance wil lsend big, heavy flowers like these into sinewave movement which takes ages to slow down. A tipod avoids camera movement, but subjects are often capable of moving...

You cropped tight: often, the best thing is to allow at least one bloom to occupy the frema without overflowing it. I've actually cropped tighter - is there some tension with both flowers 'looking' out of the frame, away from each other? If not, maybe the composition needs more work. perhaps others have useful suggestions.

An ancilliary gain with my crop is losing the brighter are in the middle at the top - a highlight at the edge of the frame is often distracting.

It may be worth goign back during hte day, and this evening, to see if yo ucan capture different moods and moments - especially if the light remains soft, without bright sun.

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banehawi Plus
15 2.1k 4012 Canada
6 Jul 2019 2:52PM
Very attractive flowers, and so nice with the drops too.

The exposure, removing the white border, shows its about 2/3 stop underexposed. Since you are using Av priority, this would mean you would need an even slower shutter, or a higher ISO to achieve a correct exposure.
Slower is risky, - although the lens IS can handle it, the flowers, being outdoors could be subject to slight movement.

One thing to keep in mind when checking the histogram for exposure when reviewing the shot, is to view the RGB histogram and NOT the brightness histogram, as one channel, possibly RED here will heavily influence the brightness histogram leading to a false interpretation of exposure.

I like the tighter crop dudler has applied, and Ive used similar in the mod Ive uploaded.

What Ive done is increase exposure +2/3, reduce the saturation of the red channel, reduced contrast, and applied sharpening. The result looks quite a bit sharper and brighter.

See what you think.


Regards



Willie
Niknut Plus
9 2.2k 78 United Kingdom
6 Jul 2019 4:35PM
Lovely shot !!....with gorgeous colours !!.Smile

Added a mod., with adjusted tonal values, contrast & sharpened !.WinkSmile
pamelajean Plus
13 1.2k 2082 United Kingdom
6 Jul 2019 7:01PM
One of my favourite flowers, Jassi, and I have done a modification showing my favourite way to present a dahlia, i.e. by filling the frame with its beauty.

I chose to concentrate on the left-hand flower, but also including a part of the right-hand one, to fill the negative space that resulted from my placing the flower centre on a thirds intersection.
John mentions the tension resulting from both flowers facing out of the frame and, although it creates a twin-like presentation, I agree with him. Even so, this type of tension can create a lot of impact.

I brightened the image, adjusted contrast and sharpened, hoping to get those lovely droplets to sparkle a bit.

To avoid any background from showing, I had to rotate the image 20 degrees clockwise, then fill in a few blank bits left after my crop. I've done a second modification with a frame, which you may or may not like.

We have commented on tension. If you want to avoid that, and the flower is tending to "face" in a particular direction, leave more space on the side that the flower is facing, and less on the other side, thereby offsetting the flower centre in the frame. This isn't a rule, but a compositional guideline, but even guidelines are there to be ignored if the image will benefit from doing so.

Pamela.
Jas2 2
8 Jul 2019 2:01PM

Quote:Thisi s quite dark, and i wonder if part of the reason is that you have a big white border, visible only on downloading, which may be misleading if you are lookign at the histogram with it as part of the image. My mod trims the border, and then used Levels to brighten things.

A couple of other thoughts: 1/30 second is a real risk for subject movement. The slightest disturbance wil lsend big, heavy flowers like these into sinewave movement which takes ages to slow down. A tipod avoids camera movement, but subjects are often capable of moving...

You cropped tight: often, the best thing is to allow at least one bloom to occupy the frema without overflowing it. I've actually cropped tighter - is there some tension with both flowers 'looking' out of the frame, away from each other? If not, maybe the composition needs more work. perhaps others have useful suggestions.

An ancilliary gain with my crop is losing the brighter are in the middle at the top - a highlight at the edge of the frame is often distracting.

It may be worth goign back during hte day, and this evening, to see if yo ucan capture different moods and moments - especially if the light remains soft, without bright sun.




Many thanks . I am still learning so thanks very much for the constructive comments. may be I should always try and see the histogram and adjust EV accordingly or post process.
Jas2 2
8 Jul 2019 2:05PM

Quote:Lovely shot !!....with gorgeous colours !!.Smile

Added a mod., with adjusted tonal values, contrast & sharpened !.WinkSmile



Many thanks again. Could you advice as to how much of adjustment you do and why?? What are the end results you are looking for before it starts looking artificial and overdone. Your mod looks awesome !!
Jas2 2
8 Jul 2019 2:10PM

Quote:One of my favourite flowers, Jassi, and I have done a modification showing my favourite way to present a dahlia, i.e. by filling the frame with its beauty.

I chose to concentrate on the left-hand flower, but also including a part of the right-hand one, to fill the negative space that resulted from my placing the flower centre on a thirds intersection.
John mentions the tension resulting from both flowers facing out of the frame and, although it creates a twin-like presentation, I agree with him. Even so, this type of tension can create a lot of impact.

I brightened the image, adjusted contrast and sharpened, hoping to get those lovely droplets to sparkle a bit.

To avoid any background from showing, I had to rotate the image 20 degrees clockwise, then fill in a few blank bits left after my crop. I've done a second modification with a frame, which you may or may not like.

We have commented on tension. If you want to avoid that, and the flower is tending to "face" in a particular direction, leave more space on the side that the flower is facing, and less on the other side, thereby offsetting the flower centre in the frame. This isn't a rule, but a compositional guideline, but even guidelines are there to be ignored if the image will benefit from doing so.



Pamela.



Many thanks Pamela. It does look beautiful indeed. I get sometimes confused between people advising regards filling the frame and some others advising to prevent the flower from overflowing the frame!!When is one or the other correct?
Jas2 2
8 Jul 2019 2:11PM

Quote:Very attractive flowers, and so nice with the drops too.

The exposure, removing the white border, shows its about 2/3 stop underexposed. Since you are using Av priority, this would mean you would need an even slower shutter, or a higher ISO to achieve a correct exposure.
Slower is risky, - although the lens IS can handle it, the flowers, being outdoors could be subject to slight movement.

One thing to keep in mind when checking the histogram for exposure when reviewing the shot, is to view the RGB histogram and NOT the brightness histogram, as one channel, possibly RED here will heavily influence the brightness histogram leading to a false interpretation of exposure.

I like the tighter crop dudler has applied, and Ive used similar in the mod Ive uploaded.

What Ive done is increase exposure +2/3, reduce the saturation of the red channel, reduced contrast, and applied sharpening. The result looks quite a bit sharper and brighter.

See what you think.


Regards



Willie



Many thanks Willie for your advice. I think all of you have noticed the need to shoot it a bit brighter. I will do so next time.
Niknut Plus
9 2.2k 78 United Kingdom
8 Jul 2019 4:34PM


Many thanks again. Could you advice as to how much of adjustment you do and why?? What are the end results you are looking for before it starts looking artificial and overdone. Your mod looks awesome !!


Hi Jassi.......I just use a programme called "Perfect Effex"....a set of adjustable 'filters' to give various
results.....so just choose the effect you're looking to acheive, & adjust the strength to suit !
With your shot I applied the HDR filter, followed by a Sharpening filter, & finally used
the Contrast filter a little........on my screen it looked great, but after uploading to EPZ it looked
rather too harsh ?.....but the effects of this programme are fully adjustable between 0% & 100% so
it's a matter of experimenting ??........great fun though; it's helped me to rescue some of my less
than perfect images !!.Grin
Jas2 2
9 Jul 2019 12:23AM

Quote:

Many thanks again. Could you advice as to how much of adjustment you do and why?? What are the end results you are looking for before it starts looking artificial and overdone. Your mod looks awesome !!



Hi Jassi.......I just use a programme called "Perfect Effex"....a set of adjustable 'filters' to give various
results.....so just choose the effect you're looking to acheive, & adjust the strength to suit !
With your shot I applied the HDR filter, followed by a Sharpening filter, & finally used
the Contrast filter a little........on my screen it looked great, but after uploading to EPZ it looked
rather too harsh ?.....but the effects of this programme are fully adjustable between 0% & 100% so
it's a matter of experimenting ??........great fun though; it's helped me to rescue some of my less
than perfect images !!.Grin


Many thanks for your kind help. I will try out these new filters and see which effect looks good on some of my pictures.Still a long way to go for me....
pamelajean Plus
13 1.2k 2082 United Kingdom
16 Jul 2019 9:38PM

Quote:I get sometimes confused between people advising regards filling the frame and some others advising to prevent the flower from overflowing the frame!!When is one or the other correct?


It's a matter of choice.
Either is correct.
When shooting, make that decision and compose accordingly.
But when a flower picture is uploaded to the CG, quite often the photographer hasn't made that choice and it is therefore suggested to either go in closer or step back for a wider shot. Also, a modification will be based on the image presented.
Sometimes the flower itself will suggest one or the other compositions.

I'm sorry this has caused you confusion. Go with your heart.

Pamela.
dudler Plus
15 877 1496 England
17 Jul 2019 11:37AM
It's always a good idea to check at least the first one or two shots on the screen, and with the histogram view showing.

Much of doing it right is about testing, checking, learning and remembering.

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