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By PhotoGem
I am a beginner and feedback is welcome. Thank you

Tags: Daisy Flower Black and white Flowers and plants Daisy flower Colour accent

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This photo is here for critique. Please only comment constructively and with suggestions on how to improve it.


Angelbabe 8 13 England
30 Oct 2012 1:50PM
Fabulous, great detail and the eye is drawn to the coloured centre - very clever!

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Hermanus 4 4 South Africa
30 Oct 2012 2:18PM
Excellent close up !! Love the detail you have captured Smile
30 Oct 2012 2:41PM
lovely photo Smile
cats_123 Plus
12 4.6k 26 Northern Ireland
30 Oct 2012 2:47PM
have had a go at a mod...slightly different approach Smile
Focus_Man 6 481 631 United Kingdom
30 Oct 2012 3:18PM
Welcome to EPZ Gemma and the critique gallery in particular. In here you should get loads of good advice. Before uploading here, why not go through a lot of the previous uploads to this gallery, look for pictures similar to your own and read the comments applied there. That will give you an initial learning and tuition ie self-help.

Take good note of the comments which appear to present themselves the most and ignore the comments ,like “Good shot” or “Love the colours” that is not the help you are after, you want to look at critique, which is what this galley is all about.

Looking back at comments and learning from them will give you a very good start without the need for members to keep adding the same advice time after time to picture after picture. Here I like your idea of a square format, it well suits pictures of flower heads and this is no exception. The picture is a little dowdy and you can see from the mod loaded by cats, what is possible. One other little thing that I would like to see is the whole of the flower head in sharp focus.

With your camera it is always likely that you will be on full aperture of f3 (Your minimum is f5.9) which although compacts do give better DoF than DSLRs, it is still limited at full aperture and so you do need to be careful about focussing. It might help you if you try to maintain the same distance from the lens to all the petals, be sure to hold the camera steady and gently squeeze down on the shutter release to avoid jerky movements.

Anyway enough for now and I await your next upload.

banehawi Plus
12 1.5k 3529 Canada
30 Oct 2012 3:47PM
Welcome Gemma, and enjoy the site, and the Critique Gallery, or learning Zone where we try to help you improve your skills with shooting and post processing.

My opinion on colour popping the daisy is that it doesnt work well. It might have been better if the petals had been left their original tone, but theres something odd for me with the centre only in colour.

As cats mentioned, you have left some green in the background at about the 2 and 8 o'clock positions, so you need to use a little more care.

The shot is a little underexposed, - the petals need to be a little brighter, as Ive done in the modification, and cats also, - scroll up to the modifications tab and click. This can happen when shooting a bright white object that takes up a lot of the frame, so you often need to use exposure compensation, which you camera can do, and dial in a positive compensation, making the camera overexpose a little, rather than under expose. A + 1/3 or 2/3 would have done the trick with this one.

Look forward to more of your uploads,


Angelbabe 8 13 England
30 Oct 2012 7:23PM
Brightening the petals would lose the wonderful texture that Gemma has captured, sorry but I dont like modification 1 it is too grainy. I also like the little imperfections of pollen and dust specks it creates a far more natural image.
30 Oct 2012 7:55PM
I came on this site to get encouragement and can take constructive feedback but calling my shot 'Dowdy' is not great encouragement for beginners. As with all art and photography the beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I agree the petals could all have been in focus but I took a shot where they were and it did not have the same effect. Hate cats mod looks too grainy. Most useful critique was from banehawi, thank you. And focus man....shame on you !!!!!!
iancrowson 6 211 142 United Kingdom
30 Oct 2012 7:58PM
Really good image.
I personally agree with Angelbabe, the first mod loses a fair amount of detail from the petals 6 to 8 o''clock. I think that only the background has been changed to BW, there is a bit of yellow pollen on the original.
I like this image, the centre is sharp which in flower photography is what matters. As a point of photographic interest it's fine, and often preferable for petals not to be in focus. Check out winners of competitions like IGPOY , study some of the amazing portfolios on the site.
Overall in my opinion as a flower photographer this is a good image, Willies mod address's the need for it to be a little brighter.
Making the back ground BW is a good way of making it less obvious.
Composition wise it's tending towards "full face" which is not often the best angle. It is cropped close, I certainly would not crop any closer. Square format suits this flower as the stalk can not be seen.
30 Oct 2012 8:10PM
Thank you Ian, very helpful feedback
iancrowson 6 211 142 United Kingdom
30 Oct 2012 10:08PM
Check out Mandy Disher"s portfolio here:
She won flower portraits category in IGPOY (International Garden Photographer of the Year) making her one of the best around internationally.
The twelve judges of her winning entry were not bothered about all the petals being focus!
banehawi Plus
12 1.5k 3529 Canada
30 Oct 2012 10:51PM
The image is underexposed. Brightening to the extent that no detail is lost can enhance the detail, as long as it not overdone. This is because it improves the contrast between light and dark, which is where the detail is.

The mod I loaded has the correct exposure, and no loss of detail. Over brightening will certainly cause detail loss.

For a flower specimen shot, - a single flower in the centre of an image with the background toned to a different colour, and blurred to emphasise the flower, is not a nature shot, and all imperfection on the flower should be removed. If the intent is a natural shot, then the flower would be left as is, with no colour popping.

Petals can be out of focus, as long as some of the flower, idealy the centre, is in focus, as it is with this shot.

The comment by Angelbabe is not constructive, its expressing an opinion on one mod, and makes no comment on the production, framing or exposure of the subject image.

"Dowdy" might be better expressed by using the term underexposed, however, keep in mind this image has been put forward for critique, and that you need to be able to put comments in perspective. All are intended as helpful, and you will receive comments from people from around the world, to whom the term may not be at all how you see it. Take from them what moves you forward as a photographer, ignore others. Thats learning.


banehawi Plus
12 1.5k 3529 Canada
30 Oct 2012 11:23PM
Thanks for the CC submission Ian.

Focus_Man 6 481 631 United Kingdom
31 Oct 2012 9:29AM

Quote: And focus man....shame on you !!!!!!

I offered you good advice but you don't seem to welcome it.

Therefore I feel no shame at the comment 'dowdy' what I meant was a little dull, underexposed and lacking in contrast, but attempted to put it all into one word. I spent a lot of time in helping you by positive critique and am disappointed that you are not prepared to accept it. C'est la vie!

31 Oct 2012 2:29PM
I'd buy it
paulbroad 9 116 1064 United Kingdom
31 Oct 2012 5:26PM
This is a decent image but it is a touch under exposed. It needs just brightening enough to lift contrast without destroying detail. I, too, would clone out the black spots and single pollen grain. Depends if you want the bloom to look perfect, and that is usually the case for flower close up images.

You are using a compact, and have done well in general. Composition is good. Any large area of a light or bright colour is likely to fool the meter into under exposure. Check the LCD after exposure and use the zoom feature to study tones if you have time. One of the main skills to master is exposure.

31 Oct 2012 7:44PM
@Focus Man, perhaps your choice of words could of been better, 'dowdy' means boring and uninteresting. I cannot read minds and be expected to know what you meant. And yes I welcome constructive feedback but constructive feedback is not using derogatory words.

Thank you to all that have commented with helpful feedback. I have certainly gained some useful advice. This was my first attempt at a shot like this and at photography in general. Color accent photos really interest me there does not seem to be many on this site however.
Angelbabe 8 13 England
1 Nov 2012 8:34PM
Quote:I'd buy it
so would I

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