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lighty 18 223 United Kingdom
5 Aug 2003 10:03PM
Do not want to upset anyone, but how did this get to be Editors Coice?
Saxon Marsh 17 295 England
5 Aug 2003 10:25PM
Because the editor chose it! and why not - Keith
pj.morley 17 947 United Kingdom
5 Aug 2003 10:47PM
Well I wondered myself at first how it got Editors Choice and it was me that took the photo Wink

Pete's probably the best person to ask since it was him that chose it but I can tell you why I like this one..

Plain and simple is the very very narrow depth of field so that only a few seeds are in focus, now some people don't like it that narrow and I admit even I was unsure initially but it has grown on me to the point that I now like this quite a lot because it has a focal point that is not the subject if you see what I mean, not only that but the focal point is dead centre (usually a no no) but in this case I think it works ok. It makes it just different enough from the usual fully in focus dandelion shot (that I have taken many of myself) to stand out.

I'm assuming that Pete likes it for the same or maybe different reasons which is why he gave it the Editors Choice award. Ultimately, the viewing of photos is a very subjective and a personal choice so I'm not upset that you don't like it or that you don't think it's worthy of Editors Choice but perhaps you'd like to say why?

There are lots of photos on this site that I think deserve Editors Choice but haven't got it but then that's only my opinion. You have yours also and Pete has his. however on this site Pete has the added option (since he owns and runs the site) of labelling the outstanding photos that are uploaded. outstanding that is....... in his opinion.

Regards
pj.morley 17 947 United Kingdom
5 Aug 2003 10:54PM
Nearly forgot.

I am very pleased to have one of my photos picked for Editors Choice, particularly from someone like Pete who displays many of his own photos on here and is himself a very good photographer. Just seems to make his opinion that little bit more credible somehow Wink
lighty 18 223 United Kingdom
6 Aug 2003 10:03PM
Hi Pj,
Glad that I did not upset you. No one else had made any comment on your Picture, maybe it was reason I did.
Please do not allow my comments to detrack
you from the pleasure of having a winning shot,
and congratulations too.
I wondered, but maybe you have explained via your above comments why it was Editors choice
It was not that I did not like it,I just wondered what aspect of it, that made it into an Editors Choice
ps. To Saxon, the editor chose it, did he, oh that explains it then.
pj.morley 17 947 United Kingdom
7 Aug 2003 1:30AM
'It was not that I did not like it,I just wondered what aspect of it, that made it into an Editors Choice'

Well as I said, only Pete can give you his reasons for choosing this particular photo, maybe they are the same as mine but maybe not. In my opinion, that's the beauty of photography that any one photo can attract such a variety of views since it is so subjective.

After all, if we all had the same idea of what a good photo should be then we would all end up striving to achieve the same objective of the same definitive photo and it would become a technical exercise at best. Where would be the enjoyment in that?

So no, not upset at all, and even if I was, I have the Editors Choice logo on my pic to cheer me up again Wink

PS..

I'd still like to hear your opinion on the photo. i.e what you like and don't like about and why.
a2jlp 17 165 Scotland
7 Aug 2003 9:48PM
Hi folks, I'm here because I actually clicked on the thumbnail thinking "Why has this been selected, perhaps there is more detail not evident at thumbnail size?"

We must all remember that "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" and this certainly applies to photography. I think subconsciously we ALL think our own images are a wee bit better than they probably are but this isn't the case here, Pete has selected someone elses image and that is the one being discussed.

I personally don't feel it's strong enough on any grounds and I'm not normally as blunt as this and have criticized others for being outspoken but I'm trying to make a point. We all have to judge the image on what we see and on any brief comments submitted with the photograph.

There are no supporting comments, we are not aware that you have achieved totally sharp dandelion pics before and that you were trying something different so it must be judged or viewed on face value.

I felt this image didn't illustrate technical ability e.g. too shallow a depth of field, was weak compositionally, (Ok some symmetrical objects work dead center). Little or no effort to perhaps use a tripod allowing a lower shutter speed / smaller aperture combination. There is wasted space either side of the object, cropping to a square format would have improved the photograph IMO.

Had this been backlit, some small seeds drifting in the wind just separated from the main dandelion image, yes we would have the makings of something better. The background is good though and doesn't detract in any way.

I would struggle to class this as anything more than a snapshot and I too would be interested to find out what Pete saw in this one.

This is just my opinion and I'm often wrong, can be an idiot like anyone else, still learning about life and photography and if you check most of my comments or contributions I would hope you agree they are in the main positive and constructive. This is not criticism for the sake of it.

Above all, I think its just as well we all think, feel, and view things differently otherwise life would be pretty dull would it not? Photography is not simply black and white all of the time (Ok it is sometimes bad choice of words) but full of grey areas and thats part of the fun I think. So long as we all enjoy photography and enjoy this web site which I feel is pretty unique partly due to the mix of members, the range of skills and experience and the fact that those running the show listen, contribute, react to members feedback and have a genuine interest in photography, not purely from a commercial viewpoint.
SuziBlue 17 16.2k 10 Scotland
7 Aug 2003 10:14PM
I like this image. Before I'd read PJ's own comments about it, my initial reaction was that this felt like dandelions seeds ABOUT to blow away - which for me explained the out of focus parts of it. I felt the photographer had caught a second in time .. just as the seeds were loosening and about to fly .. and for me the simplicity caught my imagination. The fact that there was more space around the seedhead contributed to the sense of imminent flight - if it had been cropped it would have lost that spatial quality.

Grin

Just me thoughts Grin .. and yep thank goodness we're all different .. it would be a tedious old life if not ..
pj.morley 17 947 United Kingdom
7 Aug 2003 10:25PM
a2jlp, You've said pretty much what I said about this photo and I thank you for taking the time and effort to explain why you think it isn't strong enough but to answer a couple of your points..

"We all have to judge the image on what we see and on any brief comments submitted with the photograph."

Yes this is true and exactly my point and my intention is to present the image as is and let people make up their own mimd about it. Not everyone will like it or think it has merit but some will. That much is true of any photo by any photographer, as you said, "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder"


"There are no supporting comments, we are not aware that you have achieved totally sharp dandelion pics before"..

No there aren't any supporting comments and of course, unless I state or show previously sharp pictures of the same subject then you will be unaware. However, even if I had stated this fact or shown previous pictures, would it change your opinion of this one? Front to back sharpness and detail isn't the only objective in taking a photo in my opinion.

"I felt this image didn't illustrate technical ability e.g. too shallow a depth of field"

Had I said that shallow depth of field was intentional, then would that mean the image did show technical ability? It seems that the addition of a few words can change the way the photo is viewed yet I would rather people view my photos as that, photos and not lumbered with essays or comments to excuse shortcomings. After all anyone could say that shallow depth of field was intentional even if it wasn't to try and excuse lack of it couldn't they? I could have used a tripod to use a smaller aperture for more dof but in fact I used a tripod with an intentionally large aperture to produce shallow depth of field. the point is that this is pretty much the effect I was after, you might just as well say it would look better if it was a rose but had I wanted to do that I would have photographed a rose.

"I would struggle to class this as anything more than a snapshot and I too would be interested to find out what Pete saw in this one."

Well that is fine if that is how you see it. I too would like to hear Petes comments but as yet he hasn't made any.

"This is just my opinion and I'm often wrong, can be an idiot like anyone else, still learning about life and photography and if you check most of my comments or contributions I would hope you agree they are in the main positive and constructive. This is not criticism for the sake of it."

Well of course you are not wrong since it is your opinion and it certainly doesn't make you an idiot. I for one value honest comments like yours especially as you have taken the time to explain why you made the comments. It doesn't mean I necessarily agree with everything you say but that's just that subjectivity thing again.

In short, the resultimg image is pretty much how I envisaged it to be and beleive me it took more than one attempt to get just the front most part of the dandelion clock in focus. However, that is irrelevant to the viewer. I simply submit the photo and leave people to make up their own minds whether they like the result or not.
pj.morley 17 947 United Kingdom
7 Aug 2003 10:33PM
SuziBlue,

thanks for the comments, your interpretation offers a new perspective different from mine and others and that's why (in most cases) I don't offer comments with the photos I submit. people cn decide for themselves what they like. Although I think I have left one supporting comment onmy most recent upload.

Regards

I think most people would agree that there is nothing ground breaking or spectacular at a visual level but as you have proved, interpretation and subjectivity is the key to enjoying photography...
a2jlp 17 165 Scotland
8 Aug 2003 4:43AM
Nicely put Paul, thanks for responding. Suzi's interpretation was a refreshing approach and no doubt others will visualise it in a different way should they take the time to respond.
Carabosse 17 41.5k 270 England
5 Sep 2003 12:53AM
This is the type of shot on which it would be useful to have Pete's comments on why he chose it for an award. A nice pic but a 'great' pic? Not sure about that!
pj.morley 17 947 United Kingdom
5 Sep 2003 1:01AM
I agree. I'd like to hear some feedback form Pete too. However, I'm not sure the award is about choosing pics that everyone would agree is outstanding, more about Pete choosing pics that he thinks are outstanding personally. All tastes are different but thanks for the comment anyway. I've been following the thread regarding this particular award with interest..
stevenj 17 2.0k England
14 Sep 2003 12:27AM
I just wondered if Pete would be willing to comment, since this image is now due to be published... Perhaps it would help a lot of people to follow suit?
Pete Plus
19 18.8k 97 England
14 Sep 2003 3:38PM
Whoops! Good job I just read the link about the pic being published or I would have never found out that I'd caused a stir adding this to the editors choice galleryWink
Well why do I like it? Having worked on photo magazines for ten years before launching ePHOTOzine I've seen about every type of subject photographed in every way. Dandelions are in abundance. Usually a stunningly sharp clock against an equally sharp and distracting background, or accidentally out of focus all over. Occasionally perfectly exposed and composed against a subtly blurred background. This one stood out for me because it appears that Paul deliberately chose a wide aperture to throw all but the centre point out of focus. The depth of field's so shallow that you get a great fluffiness going on around the edges, and as Suzi has said, this does give a feeling that the whole thing is going to explode and blow away in the next second. Technically maybe it does miss the mark, it's more appealing to me as a sensation shot!
beadysam 16 2
5 May 2004 11:28PM
I love this shot. It reminds me of looking at a bright light on a dark night with tears in your eyes...
SAM x
david deveson 16 62 2 Italy
1 Sep 2004 11:13AM
Good God, what a lot of words about a simply evocative image.... who says you have to see everything in a shot... this, with its shallow depth of field, gives me all I want and more... the rest is mysterious and anyway I know what it looks like... just like the bit in focus. Great shot. Just thought I'd add my bit. So there.

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