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By georgigv  
I found this one by accident while walking in nature on my last vacation. This is one of my very first attempts in this type of photography and I was trying to pass warm and relaxing mood but... there is something missing. I guess it's the shadows which are too deep but brightening them didn't help much so I'm open for your comments Smile

Tags: Flowers Plants Close-up and macro


pamelajean Plus
13 1.2k 2088 United Kingdom
8 Sep 2019 3:16PM
It's good to see you back in the Critique Gallery, Georgi.
I like your low point of view and the unusual angle, shooting the daisy from underneath.
But I wonder if you are going for an effect and, in the process, losing the detail and delicacy of your subject.
At the same time, the bright background has rendered your daisy dark.

Can you tell me what you mean by "this type of photography"?
I understand what mood you were trying to achieve, and thanks for telling us that.

I find your big sun-blob and the dark areas in the background a big distraction from your flower.
Is it the dark areas in the background that you are talking about when you say, "I guess it's the shadows which are too deep".

I'd be grateful for a bit of help and clarification about your intentions. Thanks.


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banehawi Plus
15 2.1k 4032 Canada
8 Sep 2019 4:52PM
In this image you are shooting into the Sun; the flower is back lit by the Sun. It also appears the Sun itself, or a very bright area is also in the frame.

You used Aperture Priority, and with this widest possible aperture, you can get a nice out of focus effect with highlights, as you can see in those soft, bright swirls.

The issue is that when you are shooting into the Sun, the camera will certainly underexpose to attempt to deal with such a bright scene; the camera does know theres a flower there that you like! So, to make sure the exposure for that flower is corrected, since its the subject you selected, you need to prevent the camera from underexposing the flower, and you do this by using + exposure compensation.

For this shot, at least +1, and up to +1.6 would work well. This reduces the shutter speed to allow more light into the sensor.

In the mod I uploaded, I have used +1.5, and cropped to exclude as much of the very bright spot as possible.

I have added a little space on the right side and on the top also, and lifted some shadow detail under the flower.

I hope this helps.

I would also like more information to explain what you mean by "this type of shot". Is it a flower shot, or a backlit shot, or a shallow focus shot, or a bokeh (out of focus swirls) shot?



The frame is added to pop the shot a little more. It looks quite nice and dreamy when its bright!
paulbroad Plus
12 131 1285 United Kingdom
8 Sep 2019 9:34PM
As above with exposure, but for me the depth of field is far too shallow. you have two petals passably sharp and the rest progressively softer. Might look better brighe but I would be at f5.6 or 8 at least this close.

dark_lord Plus
15 2.3k 586 England
8 Sep 2019 9:47PM
Willie has covered the technical side.

You mention 'relaxing mood', and certainly lighter helps. As it is it's very dark and sombre which is not relzxing. The bright sun is also a distraction. For a relaxed viewing of an image i want my eye to flow around the image and distractions increase tension, or at least interrupt the calm, so carefully look at what's in the frame at the time of capture and adjust your position and composition as necessary.

the same goes for th dark area above the flower thoughthat can be further reduced by lightening it substantiall in post processing.

dudler Plus
16 927 1516 England
11 Sep 2019 7:48AM
I think Willie has hit the nail on the head with his mod and advice. That's the picture I'd have been going for, and I'd have been pleased with the result.

As I read your comments, you wanted to give a warm and relaxed mood - and I wonder whether that's what you mean by 'this type of photography' - or did you mean working at wide apertures?

If you were aiming for a record shot, Paul's advice about aperture would be just right: if you wanted a less literal, more emotive image, you did it just right - just that extra exposure to give the glow that Willie has given.

So - what did you intend?
georgigv 2 1 Bulgaria
13 Sep 2019 5:39PM
I want to say big thank you for all of your comments! It is a big pleasure to receive such a valuable feedback!
First of all, I see that my words about "this type of photography" were confusing for you. Some of you got them somehow right. Yes, I was referring to capturing flowers with wide aperture, with plenty of bokeh, with different point of view and trying to give a soft relaxing mood. I'm this kind of amateur photographers who shoot everything and everywhere around them, trying to experiment with new things all the time. But there are some topics I shoot the most, and some of them the least. I think the flowers are from the least so that's why I said it's a new type of photography for me. I hope that makes my words clearer.
Second, I was really surprised that you said the Sun was actually distracting and it was a really bad idea to keep it in frame actually. My intention when I included it was just the opposite - to increase the effect and the warm relaxing mood of the image. This is not the only one image I took of these daisies that day. I actually have a few shots without the Sun. Pretty similar to this one. But without the Sun. And they look so breathless and dumb for me. That's why I chose this one. I didn't even understood that the brightest spot will be so distracting for the viewer when I was actually trying to increase the focus to the main subject by using it. Tongue One of the things I love about photography is that there is so much to learn!

Willie, thank you or your modification! I like it very much and really appreciate your effort! It makes a big difference for sure but it is not my style too. It is just not me when I'm looking at it but it has it's own unique scent.
pamelajean Plus
13 1.2k 2088 United Kingdom
13 Sep 2019 7:41PM
Thank you for that feedback, Georgi, it helps us if you communicate with us in this way.
dudler Plus
16 927 1516 England
15 Sep 2019 7:56AM
Yes indeed - thank you for the extra information!

Including the sun is only a problem, I think, because it is SO bright. The very light area draws th eye. Willie ahs cropped it out, but brightened everything: I shall see if I can do a similar sort of a mod on the full frame and maybe hold back the sun area.

Having it at that angle relative to the flower is definitely important to getting the effect you wanted.

By the way - it's a wonderful time when you simply want to photograph everything, so keep on like that as long as you can! Look at pictures, take pictures, experiment with pictures...
georgigv 2 1 Bulgaria
17 Sep 2019 6:48PM
Thanks for your advice, dudler! I'll do it! Smile

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