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Dusk in New York

By Nigwel
Taken from the top of the Empire State Building in New York..

Just as the sun had gone down.

Tags: Landscape and travel

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30 Mar 2014 12:12AM
Great night shot of NYC looking south to Staten Island and Brooklyn.


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LynneJoyce Plus
10 20 99 United Kingdom
30 Mar 2014 3:51AM
Makes me wish I was there.
30 Mar 2014 4:25AM
paulbroad 10 123 1249 United Kingdom
30 Mar 2014 8:11AM
Quite a strong image and a lot to see. I do suspect that it's not terribly sharp. I've blown it up and it wont stand much. 1/4 is going to result in blur unless the camera was firmly supported. Possibly resting on a wall top or handrail. You could have gone up in iSO if you had to hand hold. Sharp and noisy is better than soft.

Coast 10 1.6k 292 United Kingdom
30 Mar 2014 8:58AM
Morning Nigel

A lovely shot of the NYC cityscape. Really shows how dense the buildings are.

Great time of day to shoot too as the sun goes down and the city lights come on but the sky is not yet black.

For me it is just represented flat. It lacks some punch. This is where processing comes in versus relying totally on the in-camera processing into a JPEG. A little as per my last comment to you - taking your images through an editing programme like Lightroom/Aperture/Photoshop/Paint Shop Pro etc is like taking a film negative into the darkroom. It is akin to hand printing of old versus sending your film off to Bonus Print when you always rely only on the camera JPEG. In many instances, just like the prints coming back from Bonus Print, this can be totally satisfactory for your needs. If you want to eke the best out of your image data however it is more likely that you will produce a better finished image/print with a little human intervention and some editing for your favourite/best shots.

I will upload a mod to demonstrate. This just needs a tweak in levels to lift the contrast and separation between the highlights and shadows. A little increase in saturation of the red and yellow channels to boost the sunset and warmth of the city lights. A little decrease in the blue/cyan channels to take away that light milkiness across the scene.

Subtle changes but enough to add a bit more bite.

Having read PaulB's comment I cannot see any evidence of sharpness being an issue. Slow shutter speed and wide aperture yes but this looks very sharp on my monitor - even blown up to 400% from this small upload, the building edges are crisp. Technique for me at the taking stage looks very good.

Let me know what you think of the mod. Can I convince you that a little bit of Photoshopping is good Grin

dudler Plus
14 706 1352 England
30 Mar 2014 9:19AM
White balance is always contentious, and especially so with the auto setting - I suspect that you've lost a good deal of warmth here by using it. This is fine if you like the result: but (as with Paul's suggestion of using an editing program) taking control and making the picture look the way you saw the scene requires that you decide on stuff.

And while there's a limit to sharpness here, it's more to do with the size of the file and the limitations of the web than inherent sharpness. I agree with Paul (Coast) that there are no indications of shake.By the way, with a building this tall, even a tripod would not help on a windy day - the whole building will sway and flex quite noticeably.

I'll do a crude edit to suggest how I think it may have looked. Different, and not better - but a suggestion that you always have choice!

And it is a lovely view, wiht some great leading lines pulling the viewer into the picture.
mrswoolybill Plus
11 1.2k 1929 United Kingdom
30 Mar 2014 11:00AM
I'm assuming that this was taken through glass? That could account for a slight flatness. It's sharp all right, and I like the precision, the detail, plus the combination of cool greys with tiny splashes of light. It's a quality image and just needs that extra bit of contrast and warmth, as demonstrated by the Modifications.

Think about what attracted you to the view in the first place, and then think about processing as a way of conveying that better.
banehawi Plus
14 1.8k 3893 Canada
30 Mar 2014 1:05PM
At the top of this building, theres no glass, - assuming this was shot from the observation deck?

This is a camera tech thats 10+ years old, and it did quite well. The camera gave an average exposure, and without some post processing to tweak blacks its decent.

Its possible that on a November evening there might be some slight air pollution/mist that will reduce contrast to some extent.

The WB to me looks, and measures in PS quite typical for a November evening. As John says, it can mean different things to different people, but this image has no colour cast that needs to be corrected, which is also good. More saturation can enhance the shot.

The typical shot from here is a mono, and Ive uploaded one for no other reason than its the typical shot.


paulbroad 10 123 1249 United Kingdom
31 Mar 2014 7:53AM
The empire state building does actually move, otherwise it would fall over. Buildings are designed to move to absorb vibrations. The top could be moving quite a bit with respect to the bottom. However, that is unlikely to cause significant un-sharpness but i know from experience that it can, and does in steelworks buildings, which move a lot.

I have now looked on my big monitor and agree, the image is adequately sharp, but it is not crisp. That can very well be file size and the internet as Dudler says.

discreetphoton 13 3.5k 20 United Kingdom
31 Mar 2014 3:52PM
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