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'Enchanter'

By Rose73
Hi,

I took this photo on my compact camera. I sometimes put it in my bag in case I came across anything interesting, and would then go back later. It was set to Auto.

I had taken a few shots of this old fishing boat before, but this particular day the tide was out and it was sitting on the beach with its hull exposed. I planned to return another day with my DSLR and just snapped a few quick images of it. As it turned out, when I went back a couple of weeks later it was gone!

I wanted to shoot it from a low viewpoint, looking up at the hull. I also wanted to include the stone wall and rope in the picture. I liked the texture and colour of the stone and the rope leading to the boat.

I know the sky is horrendously overexposed, but it’s not about the photo as such or wanting to do anything with it now. I opened it with Elements to try and reduce some of the highlights in the wall and the boat, but the sky is completely blown out.
My reason for sending it is to ask you about the composition and get some comments and feedback about different angles to photograph boats? This is a particular interest of mine and would really like to improve. Thanks Smile


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dudler Plus
17 1.6k 1832 England
22 Mar 2021 3:28PM
Julie, I don't think that the sky matters very much. The composition is so striking that it overrides it.

Of course, if you want to do it, you could replace the sky (not something I've ever done, but I know it's popular), or you can look for other ways to avoid the blank look. My thought is to try either monochrome, or some sort of special effect, although the latter probably isn't a good approach, because it could make the image more about the technique than the image.

The composition is good enough that I'd be considering an award in the main gallery: the combination of lines and shapes, and the way they lead into each other is delightful.
Oh, thank you John! I could try a B&W version and see how that looks. Replacing the sky is a little too ambitious I think. Your compliment on the composition is very much appreciated. Smile

EDIT: Yes, your second modification with 'grain' has certainly made an improvement with regard to not noticing the blank, blown-out sky! I'll need to give that a try. I downloaded Silver Efex last week, and although I haven't tried it out much yet on photos, I've watch a couple of videos on it...looks great! Thanks for mentioning it.
mrswoolybill Plus
14 2.7k 2395 United Kingdom
22 Mar 2021 3:51PM
Hello again, nice to see you back!

I agree with John, the sky doesn't matter. A bright sunny sky would look totally false with the obviously subdued light in the image, and would also compete with the subject.

It's my sort of subject, and a strong, dynamic composition. I've added a modification, with just one change - this is for your reference. I flipped horizontally to show the effect of a lead-in from the left, compared with from the right. It does make a mess of the boat's name, so this is just to give you something to think about.
Moira
Hi Moira…Yes, I only wish I could go back and take more photos of the boat! I was too slow at returning to the scene.

I have a couple of other shots of the boat I took that day, which I would like your opinion on regarding angles and points of interest etc. I’ll upload them a bit later on. I really like photographing old boats and rusty objects. Thanks Smile
dark_lord Plus
17 2.8k 761 England
22 Mar 2021 4:17PM
You've got a bold image with strong lines leading into the image, very well done.

White skies are white skies, that's what we get here and the soft light has allowed plenty of detail to be captured (albeit contrastier lighting would be effective too but giving a different mood). Often there's no detail in a white sky to extract, though perhaps a little dnsity, that's why mono is effective as it doesn't become so obvious. Only if there's a heavily laden sky will there be detail worth trying to keep or recover.
Sky replacement rarely works well. Photoshop has a good sky replacement tool but that's all it is, sky replacement rather than image improvement as the results are false (there have been numerous attempts in the Gallery in recent weeks, a sore thumb is less obvious).

If I had to change one thing here it would be to warm the colour balance. The tone is quite cold, and under the conditions the 'Cloudy' setting for Whit Balance would have given a warmer rendition. Easily adjusted later, though.

A couple of minor points to consider for the future and not intended to take anything away from this image.
Looking at the water on the far left of the image it's sloping.It's something I look for I'm afraid, though it's not much here and easily ignored at the taking stage and I think not many would actuall notice it here. We've all done it,
I'd like to see the rope more directly into the corner. In fact, by levelling up the sea that happens!

Hopw annoying the boat disappeared...
Thanks Keith for your comments and compliment!

Yes, I was really disappointed when I returned to find the boat had gone - I had such plans!!
Thanks so much for your suggestions – I’ll have a play around with the image in Elements and Nik Efex - that's a great plugin.
Cheers Smile
chase Plus
15 2.1k 562 England
22 Mar 2021 5:01PM
Hi Julie.
The sky, well it is what it was I guess but, one thing in its favour, the cloud cover has helped with the colour and detail of the rest of your image. Yes, the sky could be replaced but not generally recommended, I have done it a couple of times ( not on my images) and the results can look really poo Sad
Colours are good and I do like Moiras idea of a flip, that rope makes a lovely lead in, always something to experiment with.
Lovely detail and textures on that rocky wall.
I quite like the B&W mod.
The mods you have already are really good, each giving you something different to consider so I am not going to add more, no point in flooding you with ideas.
Boats are great subjects, especially if they have their very own rusty bits. I like your low POV, did you consider standing on the wall and getting a few frames of the inside of the boat perhaps ? A shame it had gone when you returned.

Think about individual bits of the boat, go in close, there are loads of different opportunities if you look for them, take that rust on the front for instance against the red, white and dark lines of paint and debris. Just because you can see all of your subject doesn't mean you have to include all of it in the frame, be different, be creative....but not all the time Wink
pamelajean Plus
15 1.5k 2211 United Kingdom
22 Mar 2021 5:01PM
Hello again, Julie.

If this had been in the main photo gallery, it would have got my vote.
I love the low angle you chose, the use of the rope to take us through the frame, the strong texture on the wall and the colour of the boat. Red is an eye-catching colour.

I'd like to see the rope a bit better positioned into the bottom right corner, but find little else to critique here. The sky is acceptable because your subject and composition rule the frame and keep the eye firmly on the more important aspects of the image.

Moira's modification is an eye-opener, I love it, and I hope you can see what a difference that flipped image makes. You probably think that having the boat's name readable is more important, but you can store this suggestion for future images perhaps.

Another small suggestion would be to include just a little more of what is in the background, giving some context, telling us where we are. Either that or nothing much at all, because I am wanting to see more at the moment. Just a bit more of the scenery, not including any other boats, which would be distracting. This is one thing to really like about this shot.....the fact that it's just one boat, big and strong.

As to different ways to photograph a boat, I don't think you need any lessons. You have a good eye, you look for shapes and angles and you use what is in front of you to its fullest potential. Broadside-on shots can be pretty boring, but you probably realise that . Try for ‘quarter’ shots – bow or stern. Having said that, I do like yours!

Pamela.
Thanks so much Chase and Pamela for your lovely comments…I’m really chuffed!

I took a few more shots that day of the boat…one of the inside, one under the hull, also a more scenic shot including the hills in the background. As I said to Moira, I want to upload them as well for critique over the next week or so to give me an idea about the composition.

You’ll need to excuse my ignorance Pamela, but what do you mean by ‘quarter’ shot? What angle are you referring to?

Can I ask about leading lines. Is this what you were saying before Moira, that by flipping the image, and the rope leading into the boat from the left of the picture, it follows the pattern of eye movement from the left to the right of the image?

Anyway, thank you both for your feedback and compliments. Cheers Smile
Hi Keith...just looking at your modification. It looks nicer warmed up. I'm just comparing them side by side. It also improves the colour of the sky..not looking so white and blown. Smile
chase Plus
15 2.1k 562 England
22 Mar 2021 7:12PM

Quote:Can I ask about leading lines. Is this what you were saying before Moira, that by flipping the image, and the rope leading into the boat from the left of the picture, it follows the pattern of eye movement from the left to the right of the image?


Exactly, it takes the viewer into the image to see more, rather than out of the frame.
Generally we view from left to right, just as we read a book or write a letter.

I look forward to seeing more from this location, you must tell us which is your favourite though and why, would be interesting to know.
Thanks Chase Smile
banehawi Plus
16 2.4k 4227 Canada
22 Mar 2021 7:25PM
But IF you could replace the sky in a convincing way, it might work. The mod uses Photoshop 2021 to do this automatically, so I cant claim responsibility!

There has to be many boats, keep your eyes open.


W
I’ve got another image of the hull I tried converting to B&W in Silver Efex a little while ago. That has a better defined sky – not unlike yours. I think it needs one.

I do like the borders you apply to your images – sets them off nicely.

Yes, keeping my eyes peeled for old wrecks around the town, and boats too!!
Thanks Willie Smile
pamelajean Plus
15 1.5k 2211 United Kingdom
22 Mar 2021 9:12PM

Quote:You’ll need to excuse my ignorance Pamela, but what do you mean by ‘quarter’ shot? What angle are you referring to?

I have PM'd you.
pamelajean Plus
15 1.5k 2211 United Kingdom
22 Mar 2021 9:54PM
You have your private messaging disabled, so I will put an explanation here.

I have always thought of the quarters as if the boat is a rectangle and you are shooting from one of the rear corners of that shape. But I also see those quarters, in photography terms, as being the front corners of the rectangle as well, even though that's incorrect in nautical terms.

When looking forward, the right-rear section is called the starboard quarter and the left-rear section is called the port quarter. The entire right side of a vessel from bow to stern is the starboard side and the left side is the port side.

"Where is the quarter on a boat?
A Boat's QUARTERS are located ABAFT (behind) the 'Beam' and 'Forward' of the 'Stern' on either side of the vessel. If someone mentions the STARBOARD or PORT BOW they are describing a position just behind or astern of the Bow on the Starboard or Port side of the vessel."


Pamela.



mrswoolybill Plus
14 2.7k 2395 United Kingdom
23 Mar 2021 7:54AM

Quote:
Quote:Can I ask about leading lines. Is this what you were saying before Moira, that by flipping the image, and the rope leading into the boat from the left of the picture, it follows the pattern of eye movement from the left to the right of the image?


Exactly, it takes the viewer into the image to see more, rather than out of the frame.
Generally we view from left to right, just as we read a book or write a letter.

I look forward to seeing more from this location, you must tell us which is your favourite though and why, would be interesting to know.


Janet has answered your question. In the West we read everything, images as well as text, from left to right. To illustrate this for a group meeting some years ago, I found some wordless cartoon strips, just images no speech bubbles, and rearranged them to read from right to left. Nobody could follow the narrative.

Leading in from the right can be effective because it jolts the brain, it's unexpected. But it's worth being aware of the different effects involved.
Moira
I’m so sorry Pamela about not replying last night – I suddenly got very tired and was in my bed by 9pm! Apologies.

I’ve also enabled PM as well for future reference. Still navigating how to use the site effectively.

Thanks for the explanation about ‘quarters’ – that is much clearer now. I’ve actually taken a shot of the bow (inside) which I’ll upload next once I convert it to mono. I look forward to your feedback on the image. I’m not sure when it comes to more abstract images – if you could call them that – how to compose them in an interesting way. This is where I need mega help with composition! Smile
Hi Moira,

Yes, looking at the two images side by side, leading in from the left does look ‘right’! Its not something I thought that much about before regarding photos I suppose, but since you explained about picture formats in a previous posting, and how eye movements move across an image, I can see the difference now when looking at a picture. The writing on the boat back to front is a little off-putting granted!

I’m learning a lot from all of you in such a short space of time – it’s the interaction that makes all the difference and aids learning. No doubt I could spend time reading about all these things, but its far easier and more effective to ask and receive feedback as I go along and have questions. A big thank you to all of you. Smile
mrswoolybill Plus
14 2.7k 2395 United Kingdom
23 Mar 2021 11:04AM
And thank you for joining in the conversation - it makes all the difference!
Moira
dudler Plus
17 1.6k 1832 England
23 Mar 2021 12:27PM
My appreciation, too, for the conversation!

And I entirely agree with you that the best way to learn is to ask specific questions. So many people want to read the whole manual before they do anything, or ask anything!
I used to be scared to ask questions when I was younger – especially at school - for fear of looking or sounding stupid. I don’t care now!! I’ve come to realize with the passage of time, it’s the only way to learn anything. Smile

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