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Evans @ Rally Sweden

By boghopper
Hi - this was taken during WRC Rally Sweden. Taken in RAW and converted to jpeg. Little done bar cropping and exposure adjustment. Need some help in making it punchier - really disappointed and I want to try and make the whole set more punchier. Any help would be much appreciated. Taken at 1/400 sec, F5, ISO 320 in TV mode. Thanks

Tags: Sweden Rally Wrc Ford Fiesta Sports and action

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Paintman Plus
12 1.3k 177 United Kingdom
28 Feb 2014 9:45PM
The snow is looking grey, which suggests the photo is underexposed by one to two stops. When photographing snow the camera's meter will meter it to look like 18% grey. You need to allow for this by using exposure compensation and increase the exposure by one to two stops.

In the mod I upped the exposure, altered the white balance, increased the contrast and lightened slightly and sharpened the car only.

I used the motion blur filter to blur the b/g to give a greater sensation of speed.

It may help the composition to add more of the road in front of the car to give it space to 'move' into.

Alan.

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banehawi Plus
15 2.1k 4021 Canada
28 Feb 2014 10:41PM
Its a pretty good shot.

Alan has solved the exposure problem, and added some good mods too.

Nothing to add other than a similar mod, altered cop.


Regards


Willie
boghopper 8 3
28 Feb 2014 10:49PM
Thanks people - interesting to say the least. Must try some of those techniques on some of the others to see what happens.
paulbroad Plus
12 131 1285 United Kingdom
1 Mar 2014 10:05AM
Good image, but under exposed. You have metered in automatic in a generally white environment and will get under exposure. You needed some full stop extra which would be +1 compensation. Then, a good 'un.

This is where the always shoot in RAW pundits come unstuck. RAW gives the best control, but 8nly if you use the processing correctly. You must fully understand exposure and the RAW processing tool.

In this case, you would have had under exposure in RAW or JPG, but to best learn RAW, shoot in RAW + BEST JPG. The JPG will be pretty close to correct, usually, then try and process the RAW to get it even better.

RAW can be a problem with motor photography. It reduces the speed of your driv, save times and card space. I would use Best JPG if speed of operation is important.

Make sure you crack exposure. It is the absolute basic of photography and the fully auto systems are easily fooled. I still often use a hand meter and incident light attachment.

Paul
colin beeley Plus
16 1.2k 10 England
1 Mar 2014 4:11PM
yes it is under exposed , but just shoot in raw and use canon's DPP . you have black & white not easy .who ever fires there motor drive more than two or three shots ? shooting raw is not a problem i use raw all the time on my sports shots without a problem .
boghopper 8 3
1 Mar 2014 4:58PM
Was looking at some of the adjustments to my original image and to me they look fake ??? Too bright and not what was actually there surely ???? In the original pic posted there is already blur in the wheels to show movement - yes the sharpening would help and whitening the snow a whiter shade of white - I did try to whiten it in RAW BUT I didn't want to make it look fake and un-natural. To me pics need to look natural surely ??? Even more confused and lost now...... hmmmmmmSad
boghopper 8 3
1 Mar 2014 5:02PM
I'll add another taken at the same event and you can all have a look at it - thanks
1 Mar 2014 6:15PM
This looks like it was shot in fairly flat light? So presumably your 'exposure adjustment' was to make it look the way it actually was?
because you say "pics need to look natural surely???" ...which seems to tie in with the result of your processing, i.e. the snow looking a little grey in the flat dull light? You didn't like the "white" snow in the mods, because it isn't like what was actually there, it looked "fake."
But you say you want it to look "punchier." i.e. NOT like what was actually there.
No offence, but quite honestly Pete, you don't really seem to know what you want!

Alan
colin beeley Plus
16 1.2k 10 England
1 Mar 2014 6:55PM
i have told you how to do it !
dark_lord Plus
15 2.3k 582 England
1 Mar 2014 9:28PM
It's fine to shoot action in RAW. Not all sports togs do as they often need to get pics off asap so don't want the processing time. Your 7D should have no problem.
You want images as 'they are' but snow isn't grey. The light may be flat but your images shouldn't be, but they also shouldn't (unless for effect) be overcontrasty.

As for exposure, using manual will avoid wildly varying exposure values when you get black, white and brightly coloured cars in the frame under the same lighting conditions.
Although this is a black car, the bright headlights would cause that underexposure.

The car is sharp though - personally i'd rather have to adjust exposure on a sharp image than have an unsharp 'correctly exposed' shot.

Keith
paulbroad Plus
12 131 1285 United Kingdom
2 Mar 2014 10:41AM
You do what works. Whatever has been said above, RAW slows the camera down. Simply physics. Processing time. Depends on camera and speed of card, but it does slow you down. For most purposes it will not matter, but in high speed sports, bursts of quite a karge number of frames are common. In a recent spin at a track day I exposed 28 frames continuously.

The maximum frame rate of a camera is only achieved in JPG mode, with autfocus off and a fast card. Simple fact. However, you will rarely, if ever, need it.

Here, yiur RAW conversion was not correct. It's OK people saying RAW would do the job. It will, if you use it correctly and understand how it works. I know two sports photographers. Both use JPG. The quality required in the paper is not high enough to need RAW.

They then have small fike sizes for rapid radio transmittion and across the net. Quality is one thing. Practicality is another.

Horses for courses.

Paul
colin beeley Plus
16 1.2k 10 England
4 Mar 2014 7:00PM
you seem to get a lot of advice from people who do not do sport photos ! shot in raw & small jpg that's what i do.

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