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Find a penny, pick it up (obverse)

By col.campbell
The other side of yesterday's coin.

The main reason I posted this for critique is to see if anyone can shed any light on the mystery of my disappearing colour. While in photoshop these photos had a nice bronzey, coppery colour but as soon as I close photoshop open the images in windows they look dull and flat. Any ideas folks?

Tags: Money Queen Monarch Close-up and macro Coin Currency pre-decimal

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20 May 2017 12:55AM
Cool find, and not worth much these days, as well have a wonderful weekend.
tonyguitar 9 77 37 Canada
20 May 2017 2:33AM
No answer to your question other than software related.
In Canada the penny has vanished. Our lowest coin is the 5c or nickel.
Good thing too. TG
paulbroad 13 131 1293 United Kingdom
20 May 2017 7:27AM
Has to be settings in preferences on certain programs? Or you are not using sRGB? Different programs can look at colour gamut in different ways.

mrswoolybill Plus
14 2.8k 2403 United Kingdom
20 May 2017 8:08AM
I cannot throw any light on that, and I will be interested to see if someone has a technical explanation. I quite often notice a difference between images on my own hard drive and their appearance once uploaded on the site (a different issue, I know).

But I have been holding similar coins up to compare with this - this is an old penny, pre-1971, with the Mary Gillick portrait , so the metal will be heavily tarnished. The colour here actually looks rather warmer and redder than the real thing. I certainly would not want to push it any further than this.
iancrowson Plus
11 215 168 United Kingdom
20 May 2017 8:38AM
The photo shows plenty of detail due to the direction of the light. I see you used RAW and so would have considered the colour temperature post processing.
I can't answer you question but it may have have something to do with your colour space setting. i use the Adobe RGB in photoshop and save and post (to this site) in isame. I believe the advice on this site is to use sRGB.
Could it be your monitor colour settings?
I'm curious having photographed coins in the past. I will try some with similar near uncirculated pennies..
Hope you get an answer
dark_lord Plus
17 2.8k 767 England
20 May 2017 9:22AM
It has to be to do with colour space.
What is your Photoshop Working Colour Space?
And what program are you opening the image in in Windows? Which version of Windows?
I can't see it as a monitor issue if it looks right in Photoshop.

Not related, but there's a lot of chromatic abberration on this so make sure you check the 'Remove Chromatic Abberration' checkbox in ACR or LR (whichever you use). Did you use any close-up gear or crop this down as you wouldn't fill the frame with a penny using that lens on its own.

the lower part of the coin is less sharp than the top so you weren't quite flat on to it.
dudler Plus
17 1.6k 1839 England
20 May 2017 12:43PM
It is a question that I suspect Willie can cast light on: probably to do with colour space, and how different programmes work and display things.

Big question - is it showing on here as you want it? And it may be relevant to ask what browser you use - I believe that Firefox gives truer colours than others...

I'll add that the wooden slats show significant colour fringing - is this a blow-up of a part of the frame, I wonder?
banehawi Plus
16 2.4k 4231 Canada
20 May 2017 3:46PM
In PS, you are using whatever colour profile the image has assigned to it, Adobe RGB or sRGB.

When you view it in Windows, it uses Monitor RGB, which is a different colour space entirely, and does affect how the image is displayed. In PS, you can view a "proof" image and select monitor RGB as a profile to see the difference.

Luckily, we will see it with the correct profile in a browser once it has been assigned in Photoshop.

col.campbell 17 1.4k 4 United Kingdom
20 May 2017 4:49PM
Thanks for all your replies folks.

I'm pretty sure the working space is sRGB. I'm using Photoshop CS6, and Windows 10/ default image viewer/ Edge browser. The comment about Firefox has rung a dim and distant bell; I used to use it. I'll have to revisit it and see if that helps.

It's not actually as red/ warm as I'd intended; not quite. The late evening sun had rendered quite a strong colour cast, if that's the correct terminology.

And I used extension tubes to fill the frame. I've seen distortions - I don't know the correct term - before when using them. I uploaded a shot of a pair of cufflinks recently, for instance. Would a nifty fifty serve better with extension tubes, having fewer moving parts?

Thanks for all your help, I really appreciate it.
paulbroad 13 131 1293 United Kingdom
21 May 2017 7:19PM
You should always use sRGB. Only use AdobeRGB if the image is to be printed in a professional reproduction environment, EVERYTHING ELSE, computers, printers, TV and so on use sRGB. That is an international standard.

col.campbell 17 1.4k 4 United Kingdom
22 May 2017 10:44AM
I'm now revisiting this page in Firefox and ya know what.. could be problem solved. I'm sure there are still minor variances between Photoshop, Windows and Firefox but it may be good enough.

I do use sRGB as my working space but are there any other settings that could throw the whole thing out of whack? I looked yesterday at View > Proof Setup and I think it was on CMYK. After much messing about I've just looked again and I'd left it on Monitor RGB but something tells me perhaps that should be on sRGB too.

Thanks again folks!

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