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Folkestone Warren

By Henry161
I took this photo this morning while out for a walk with a friend. I took it on my Ricoh GR III with a little Manfrotto tripod that fits in my pocket. I love this camera set up, annoying though I realised today that it has a dust spot on the sensor. I photoshoped it out but it's frustrating because this is a fixed lens camera. I really like the way this photo came out, I'm really pleased with the composition although perhaps it needs to be cropped to the right slightly so there's an even gap either side however i wanted the beam of wood central. I'm not so sure on the colouring on this image but I'm having fun with the new colour grading tool in Lr. Any feedback is much appreciated, thanks in advance

Tags: Landscape Beach Seascape Sunrise Landscape and travel

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dudler Plus
17 1.5k 1777 England
7 Nov 2020 10:44AM
There are differing views on colour, and different reasons why one should worry about it... My own take on it is that unless there's a technical reason for getting 'accurate colour', or an aesthetic reason for wanting to alter the colour for effect, you should try to make the image look the way that you remember the scene.

How you do this doesn't matter so much as getting it to align with your memory, and the feeling of the moment. So - have you achieved that? If so, there's possibly no reason to worry, providing you understand how you got there in processing - you may want to ask further questions about that.

Do you shoot RAW? It looks to me (and to my computer) as though you've got burnt out highlights and blocked shadows in this picture. The latter probably don't matter, but the blank area in the sky screams at me. Pull the highlights down in converting from RAW if you can...

Compositionally, this looks pretty good, although the sloping horizon needs sorting out. It certainly doesn't need a crop from the right: having the beam at the bottom offset to the left, and the further breakwater to the right gives a very pleasing asymmetry to the shot. If anything, I'd have done more of that, though with a pocket tripod needing to be on the beam, I'm not sure how. Possibly I'd have wound the ISO right up and used the camera hand-held.

Over to you - and I'm sure others will be along shortly.
Saastad Plus
1 16 15 Norway
7 Nov 2020 11:01AM
I very much agree with John about the highlights in the sky.
But I enjoy the photo anyway. I like the colours, and the composition.
It could have been nice to see the same composition but not so tight cropped.

Arne
chase Plus
15 2.0k 517 England
7 Nov 2020 11:34AM
Hi Henry,
This is a nicely seen composition but...the big thing that really shouts is the over exposure in the sky as mentioned above.
I'm not sure that even pulling the highlights down during Raw processing would help much but worth a try.
Don't think you need any further cropping from the right as the frame would then become really cramped.
The colour is really down to you, how you actually saw it or how you wanted it to be, the colours here are soft and gentle, so that really is a personal preference.
Shadows could perhaps do with a teeny lift and watch out for the light halos around the very contrasting light/dark areas.

I did a mod and helped the sky along, it's not the way forward to replace a sky or even to clone in the blown highlights tbh, so much more important to get it right at the time of taking the image, 2 different exposures combined may have worked here.
Straightened the horizon.
Lifted the darker areas in the Camera Raw filter in Photoshop using a layer and mask.
Darkened some of the light halos with the clone tool set to darken on a separate layer.
If there was any further cropping to do, for me it would be right at the bottom to remove some of the most OOF bits of the wood, which is what I did.
ZenTony Plus
5 4 1 United Kingdom
7 Nov 2020 11:47AM
I know the area well Henry. This has all the potential for being a great image. But the relatively long exposure just blanks out the sky and I guess that there is not much processing you can do with that to make a substantial difference. As I say I know the area well and I would have taken the shot a little earlier when the sun is just appearing. The framing leads to this blanked out sky but with an earlier shot at the break of dawn it will look sensational. One other little thing is that I would have removed the groynes on the left of the picture. I just find them a slight distraction.
Tony
Henry161 2 6 United Kingdom
7 Nov 2020 11:52AM
Thank you all for your comments. It's interesting to hear you all mentioning the horizon. I really struggled with getting this right despite many attempts. I used the ruler tool in LR but that made it worse. I think it could be an optical illusion as the waves on the right of the image are higher. Any tips on this would be greatly appreciated. I did shoot RAW and funnily enough I actually increased the exposure in the sun to give it a bright morning affect. I could bring that down a touch in hindsight as it is a little blown out. Thanks for the comments on the colour being down to personal preference, i do prefer a more subtle and subdued look
pablophotographer 9 1.8k 396
7 Nov 2020 12:10PM
Hi.

Straight from the box, 1.6 seconds exposure while shooting towards the sun is quite extreme as a setting despite keeping ISO va!ue low as 100.

I thought that GR had a horizon assistance tool. I would send the camera back to Ricoh for clearing the dusty bit, unless you don't mind cleaning EVERY picture...

dudler Plus
17 1.5k 1777 England
7 Nov 2020 12:23PM
I use the manual rotation tool in Photoshop, and trial and error for levelling. I assume that Lightroom offers something similar: if not, you need to try PS, Elements, or Affinity (or one of the many others). Although I have Lightroom as part of the package I subscribe to, I find that the completely different (and far less intuitive) editing tools make it something I'm not bothered about... Others may well be able to say exactly where the tools are.

I found that I developed an eye for the right sort of rotation quite quickly: I reckon this needs a degree to a degree and a half clockwise. The eye is more reliable than automated tools, especially when there are things like the big waves on the right!.
banehawi Plus
16 2.4k 4202 Canada
7 Nov 2020 1:50PM
I have used the GR 1. 11 amd 11, owning the GR for many years.

It does indeed have both a level and tilt guide on screen, - you may have to cycle the display button to see it if you cant.

You have also used a JPEG preset, - possible positive film (?). so the colours are intended to look as the preset determines, so its as you wanted it.

The horizon if well off, - Ive rotated it in the mod and its a simple adjustment using the ruler tool, simple get the tool aligned with the horizon on the left and the right sides and its done. Best though to check the camera guides at tome of shooting as it will affect framing.

Its a very typical GR high contrast image, one Ricoh users love, and it works for the most part. Many shoots like this are done into the sun at f/16 to try to get a small starburst effect too.

At f/11, the depth depends on which point you focused on and as you know you can select the focus point simply by touching a point on the screen. f/11 should get you from the camera to infinity if you focus about 1 metre from the lens. The camera can also indicate you depth of field on screen too if you check its features.

The mod has the rotation done, colour as is, sharpening, and exposure lifted apart from the sky.


Regards


Willie
chase Plus
15 2.0k 517 England
7 Nov 2020 5:35PM
To straighten, I use the 'straighten' tool in Photoshop, much the same as the ruler tool, align from one point to the other and then confirm.
revisiting this, my first mod looks really dark so I did a second with a levels adjustment....sorry Sad
dark_lord Plus
16 2.7k 738 England
7 Nov 2020 9:26PM
You've composed this very well making good use of the groynes within the frame. While I reckon there are alternatives they'd need a full size tripod rather than your pocket one - though I'd rather have a pocket one than none at all, it just means you have to look harder to find a viewpoint which is no bad thing as for example I may not have thought of this angle right along the woodwork.

This has a classic compact look in terms of the lost detail in the sky and deep shadows, as compact tend to struggle with higher contrast, not that larger ensors are immune, you just have to approach things differently and Janet's suggestion of using two exposures is a good one.

I've done a quick mono mod. It may not be your thing bu it just shows the possibilities as hose groynes are a bold element which is a strenght of mono.
Henry161 2 6 United Kingdom
8 Nov 2020 6:09AM
I have included a modified version. Luckily i took a couple of shots in that same location. The modified one the waves are in a different position so it was easier to level. I think it still looks off on my phone viewing it but on my laptop in photoshop it's straight. I do use the built in leveler on my camera but on location the tripod wasn't exactly sturdy so it may have been slightly off. Thank you all for for kind advice and comments, it helps a lot
Robert51 12 7 110 United Kingdom
8 Nov 2020 9:09AM
This is a place I have spent many hours but as I get older more and more time in the cafe at the top looking out over the sea. How that as change since the old man and his cafe which was more like a shed. So given my love of the place I just had to have a go.

I love what you done with the sky in V5, so I used this the have a go at the toning of the image. I have not change anything more my take on how I would see the final image. I hope you like it...
Henry161 2 6 United Kingdom
8 Nov 2020 9:19AM
Ooh nice. I like your edit Robert! It's a lovely place, this is only the second time I have visited there. I'll definitely be going more often.
mrswoolybill Plus
14 2.5k 2346 United Kingdom
8 Nov 2020 6:22PM
I'm late here... I'm glad you are shooting RAW, this is a classic example of the sort of scenario where it pays dividend. Your modification 5 is the way to go. Much more successful than the main upload - gentler, more atmospheric. I'd maybe go for lifting shadows a bit in the foreground, because that's where we need to feel we could reach out and touch the textures. But you are heading in the right direction. Well done.
Moira

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