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Glencoe highlights

By PMWilliams    
I have totally blown highlights in this image and after trying out different methods of graduating filters, reducing highlights etc in Lightroom my questions are:

Is there anyway to salvage it?
Is it in anyway acceptable with blown highlights?
The next time I try for an image like this, should I try using more than one graduated filter? or will it mean I lose too much in sharpness? (I use NISI)

Totally loved what I was seeing with my eyes and the amazing light on the mountains and so disappointed when I got to see it on the screen.

This is the image with no processing at all

Thanks in advance


Tags: Landscape and travel

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Niknut Plus
11 3.0k 82 United Kingdom
24 Nov 2017 9:44PM
Lovely shot !!......it certainly needs a bit of tickling to bring it to life ??.....I've done a mod. for you for my version of the scene......

Basically it's had an HDR treatment, with colour & tone adjustments.....all to try & add a bit of 'zing' to it, & hopefully you may like it ??

Watcha fink Pat ????.GrinGrin
24 Nov 2017 9:57PM
I do like! very much 😁 now what I don't like is ... I can't do hdr in Lightroom, 🤔, I did underexpose the scene at the time cuz I knew the sky would be a problem and was planning on lifting the shadows a bit (sorry my technical terms are naf) but it was totally blown. your image is far better than anything I've managed to come up with, so now I know it's possible, I will keep trying, thank you Keith 🤗
ddolfelin Plus
9 103 3 Wales
24 Nov 2017 10:22PM
Blown or not, it's still a good shot, Trish.
24 Nov 2017 10:51PM

Quote:Blown or not, it's still a good shot, Trish.


Thank you Peter Grin
25 Nov 2017 8:19AM
Trish I use Lightroom and there a plug-in called Lightroom Enfuse which enables you to blend multiple exposures without looking like overdone HDR - similar results to using a ND grad. I use this method quite a bit. You can download it for a small donation fee - Andy
Robert51 12 7 124 United Kingdom
25 Nov 2017 8:50AM
I really like the shot. I know you say about blown highlights but often nature is too bright to look at. So the levels here are not too bad.

The best way to over bright highlights or dark shadows is to shot using bracketing on your camera. Most modern cameras now have this fitted and it allows you to shot different amount of shots taking the F stop up and down to captures all the highlights and shadows. Various software allow you to combine these images to produce the best results. There are lots of videos on youtube to watch if you want. Hope you like the mod...
Irishkate Plus
11 45 121 United Kingdom
25 Nov 2017 10:57AM
I've stopped using filters and reverted to bracketing. not sure if Elements can process HDR as I use Photoshop but I also have a programme called Photomatix which processes even a single image if you haven't taken several exposures.
Keith's mod has enhanced your image and I suspect is more like what you saw.
Kate Grin
Somerled7 Plus
5 249 8 United Kingdom
25 Nov 2017 2:13PM
I think once the highlights are blown out, no amount of adjusting levels/contrast etc can recover it, however a bit of cloning can help. The modification I've added only uses Lightroom as that's what you said you had. I've used the spot heal brush to copy other bits of cloud over the blown area, then lightened the shadows to lighten the ground, and lightened the centre of the image a bit more with a couple of radial filters to draw the eye into the centre. If you have Photoshop, the cloning can be performed easier and more precisely, but the heal brush in Lightroom does the job at a push.

When taking the picture with such a lot of contrast, I would sugggest bracketting by a couple of stops as well as using a grad filter. Lightroom CC can combine bracketted images into an HDR image (not sure about earlier Lightroom versions though). I often auto-bracket just as an insurance in case I need to use combine images later.

Hope these suggestions are helpful.

Gordon
banehawi Plus
17 2.5k 4264 Canada
25 Nov 2017 5:05PM
Hi Patricia.

You used an ND filter, - can I assume it wasnt a graduated filter?

You shot in RAW, so you are in the best position to adress this. There is little or no detail in the brightest part, - which appears blown, but does no reach the RGB values for totally blown. So having in you possession the RAW file, here what I would try.

Open the raw file, and redule exposure by at least -1, but try more until you have that bright area looking bright, but with whatever detail was there now present; export that file as it looks now, as a jpeg; then gp back to the raw, and restore the exposure to as-shot; than work on a combination of increased exposure and shadow recovery yo get the land are looking as you want it. BTW, I would set the white balance in LR to auto as it will likely warm the tones.. Export this jpeg, which will have a unique file number.

IF you have photoshop, you would overlay one over the other, and using a layer and a mask, combine the two.

IF you dont have photoshop, use the adjustment brush in LR to reduce exposure as suggested on the sky; then selet NEW adjustment, and work on exposure ans shadows on the land area. You will end up with one jpeg. There is an eraser brush that you can use to remove and areas unintentionally affected.


Tried a mod anyway, similar process as suggested, and cropped to 16 X 9



Regards


Willie

25 Nov 2017 10:32PM
you've all been brilliant and tomorrow I'm going to try some of the suggestions (had a long day hiking in the Mournes and now everything hurts) now while I was out I remembered that my camera can do multiple images, so I messed about with it and will check out the results properly tomorrow. I do use a graduated filter, Nisi 16 on this image, I can't combine images in Lr so I will have to look at a plug-in, I'll add a mod and let you all decide on its success or not 😁 thank you all for your time, mods and comments
dudler Plus
18 1.7k 1877 England
26 Nov 2017 10:48AM
Keith's mod makes the most of this, and it's very nice indeed. Photomatix is worth buying (and cheaper than filters... I've just looked up Nisi filters, and the prices are stellar - are they better than Lee filters, I wonder, which are the benchmark?)

I have to say, I don't understand the current fascination with Lightroom, when Elements seems to offer more accessible basic editing... But any way round, tripod and bracketing (several exposures in quick succession at different exposure values, varying shutter speed rather than aperture) will be the way to go. Even the very best modern sensors can't cope with the tonal range in this kind of shot.

The other thing, of course, is to use a long lens and omit much of the foreground, so that you can expose for the sunlit area. Everyone uses wideangles, but the value of a longer lens can be considerable...

26 Nov 2017 3:09PM

Quote:Keith's mod makes the most of this, and it's very nice indeed. Photomatix is worth buying (and cheaper than filters... I've just looked up Nisi filters, and the prices are stellar - are they better than Lee filters, I wonder, which are the benchmark?)

I have to say, I don't understand the current fascination with Lightroom, when Elements seems to offer more accessible basic editing... But any way round, tripod and bracketing (several exposures in quick succession at different exposure values, varying shutter speed rather than aperture) will be the way to go. Even the very best modern sensors can't cope with the tonal range in this kind of shot.

The other thing, of course, is to use a long lens and omit much of the foreground, so that you can expose for the sunlit area. Everyone uses wideangles, but the value of a longer lens can be considerable...

Thank you for your response, I've been very pleased with the nisi filters and think they come out very well against the Lee filters. I try to capture as much as possible at the location and rely on Lr just for shadows, highlights etc and at the time I got it, it was what was recommended Smile . I did have a telephoto with me but the light disappeared so fast the moment was gone. I think I might have to look at something to combine images for bracketing.


26 Nov 2017 3:15PM

Quote:Hi Patricia.

You used an ND filter, - can I assume it wasnt a graduated filter?

You shot in RAW, so you are in the best position to adress this. There is little or no detail in the brightest part, - which appears blown, but does no reach the RGB values for totally blown. So having in you possession the RAW file, here what I would try.

Open the raw file, and redule exposure by at least -1, but try more until you have that bright area looking bright, but with whatever detail was there now present; export that file as it looks now, as a jpeg; then gp back to the raw, and restore the exposure to as-shot; than work on a combination of increased exposure and shadow recovery yo get the land are looking as you want it. BTW, I would set the white balance in LR to auto as it will likely warm the tones.. Export this jpeg, which will have a unique file number.

IF you have photoshop, you would overlay one over the other, and using a layer and a mask, combine the two.

IF you dont have photoshop, use the adjustment brush in LR to reduce exposure as suggested on the sky; then selet NEW adjustment, and work on exposure ans shadows on the land area. You will end up with one jpeg. There is an eraser brush that you can use to remove and areas unintentionally affected.


Tried a mod anyway, similar process as suggested, and cropped to 16 X 9



Regards


Willie


have been trying out your suggestions and have a long way to go I think Sad . Your mod is lovely thankyou

Niknut Plus
11 3.0k 82 United Kingdom
26 Nov 2017 3:57PM
I've tried Lightroom in the past, & just don't like it !!....not enough control for me, so I use both Photoshop, or Elements........

I gave up using filters years ago !!.....OK for 35mm film, neg., or slides, but Photoshop etc does the same job, with infinite
control over the final result.......though Polarising filters are rather different!

Look forward to seeing the results of your endeavours !.

Hope your 'achey' bits are on the mend !!.GrinGrin
26 Nov 2017 4:27PM
Well my version is lacking in so much, but a good learning curve Grin John Dudler I think your last mod was more what I was looking for, thank you. I might have to look at another editing option as I progress, has anyone checked out Luminar yet, keeps popping up on my facebook page.

Thank you to everyone for your time and versions GrinGrinGrinGrin
paulbroad 14 131 1293 United Kingdom
26 Nov 2017 5:39PM
The simple answer to you first question is - no. If highlights are blown on a jpg, then you need to transpose a sky, do some cloning, or not bother at all. I've looked through the mods and only one works - No. 3, which goes a long way to addressing the problems.

You needed a strong graduate, but they are really of little use unless the horizon is close to flat - no good here. HDR with a RAW file is a possibility, but HDR can very easily be over done - it usually is!

I think I would have reduced initial exposure by at least 2 stops, then attempt to recover the shadows later, but you should heavily bracket exposure at the time.

Paul
dudler Plus
18 1.7k 1877 England
27 Nov 2017 4:52PM
There are times when I believe in the 'Ford Cortina Approach*' - go for the market leader (in this case Elements or PS) simply because it's easiest, and you can get most help with it. As Elements is well under 100, it's a fair first step, and many people never need to consider full PS.

There are other good editors (including the free, clunky, and very capable Gimp2), but Elements is actually good enough for just about everything unless you get really deep into curves and layers and that sort of thing.

* A Cortina was never the most roomy, the most economical, the safest or the best to drive - other cars beat it on every count. But it was a good compromise, and there are a lot of people who owned them and loved them because they didn't want to deal with the quirks of the machinery that bettered it in most ways - they mistrusted front wheel drive, five-speed gearboxes and hatchbacks. These days, Ford cars have all these attributes...

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