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pmorgan 11 217 13 England
24 May 2007 9:10PM
Jaw-dropping detail, excellently composed!


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tomcat 12 6.4k 15 United Kingdom
24 May 2007 9:15PM
Mmmmmmmmm!!!...there'a a small blob on the bottom right of the ima...... was a fly on my screen
'tis indeed a worthy shot of the G.G.O

24 May 2007 9:15PM
allsome photo nice work
24 May 2007 9:27PM
what a lovely photo of a lovely owl.
I like the way the b/g is blurred.
Excellent work.

Dee Smile
GlynnisFrith 11 23 3 United Kingdom
24 May 2007 9:28PM
Lovely detail & those eye leap at you
csurry 16 9.2k 92
24 May 2007 9:33PM
Bg is blurred cos it is about 300m away the other side of a river Smile

Adrian, now remember invites to the MWFC are at the discretion of the organiser.

Thanks all. Did wonder if the shot was too "clean" to be interesting.
chase 12 1.1k 246 England
24 May 2007 9:39PM
Lovely isolation Cheryl,that bg really shows him off.Good eye contact & I like the perch too.
DaveHobbo 12 10 England
24 May 2007 9:40PM
Superb beast.

Dave H
albi 13 68 1 England
24 May 2007 9:46PM
Spot on Cheryl, you can't beat a lollipop pose.. Wink

By far my favourite...

Excellent work.
Ingleman 11 9 4
24 May 2007 10:14PM
Excellent study of a brilliant bird of prey. For me, it needs to be more central, but that does not detract from what is a technically fantastic shot. I'm jealous!

Andy I
csurry 16 9.2k 92
24 May 2007 10:19PM
Ah central or not central. Chose not central or it really is a lollipop Smile

Could post a central one if you really want!

Thanks everyone, pretty stunning bg colours I thought, pastel, subtle, but just right.
Alison_S Plus
12 339 United Kingdom
25 May 2007 9:09AM
So neatly perched up there........beautiful capture, and owl Smile

SandyMiller 12 932 United Kingdom
25 May 2007 10:18AM
What a wonderful capture. Love everything about it.
Morpyre Plus
13 1.6k 8 Wales
25 May 2007 11:51AM
beautiful image - perfect composition for this subject - great too that the owl is intrigued by something - gives that feel like it could suddenly launch up into the air any second.

i was watching a program yesterday about birds of prey - they are such incredible creatures - would love to have the opportunity to photograph them myself.

peter "morpyre" turner

well desrved EC
SueWB 11 England
25 May 2007 2:34PM
What a stunningly beautiful image - fantastic capture
_Helena_ 11 596 1 United States
25 May 2007 3:33PM
just love his eyes on this. well captured!
jaspernina 11 1.0k Wales
25 May 2007 3:40PM
Great image.
csurry 16 9.2k 92
25 May 2007 4:50PM
Thanks everyone.

Thanks Pete!

The question now is should I load my favourite shot of this owl in the birches and be disappointed if no-one else likes it in comparison? Sad
chase 12 1.1k 246 England
25 May 2007 5:50PM
Well done Cheryl!
Chriscj 12 96 1 England
25 May 2007 6:08PM
Awesome detail and well done on your EC.

IanA 14 3.0k 12 England
25 May 2007 7:55PM
This site is getting absolutely pathetic. How many more times are captive birds sitting on posts going to get EC's when real wildlife photography is, for the most part, totally ignored?

Sorry Cheryl, not your fault I know, but it is now getting totally beyond a joke!

25 May 2007 9:19PM

albi 13 68 1 England
26 May 2007 7:27AM
Not sure what the problem is here Ian, at the end of the day this is a site for photography no matter weather they're captive or wild shots..

If it's pure wildlife stuff you want then there's plenty of sites that cater for only that with no captive photography allowed.

Take it for what it is, a good image of a captive Owl that Pete happens to like.. Smile

Congrats on the EC Cheryl.

bzbee Plus
14 102 3 United Kingdom
26 May 2007 10:15AM
nice one cheryl
csurry 16 9.2k 92
26 May 2007 3:52PM
Thanks everyone.

Ian given the relative proportions of images posted on ePZ I don't see the problem if you take a look at the last couple of months of ECs.

Since Linda's EC for a captive bird there have been 6 wildife birds that have been awarded ECs. At the end of the day it is simply whether Pete likes the image or not. And captive or not a lot of that has to do with light and composition.

That is unless of course we are considering the red kites at Gigrin as being too easy and thus almost captive, in which case I think we would also have to exclude the puffins from places like Skomer.

As you know I personally would love to do more wildlife and I envy Albi for his patience with the kingfishers, but given the chance to spend a few hours in the hide I would take it. But being that I am currently running two businesses sometimes other things must take precedence over photography.

I would also like to say that I recently met the photographer from the "Life on the Wing" book, oh yeah, guess where. On a captive owl weekend Smile Why? Because it afforded him the opportunity to get compositions not possible in the wild, and also to get extreme close ups of things like the golden eagles talons.

Personally I was surprised that Pete liked this, and as I suggested it is not my favourite from the weekend.
26 May 2007 4:09PM
Hear,here Ian
csurry 16 9.2k 92
26 May 2007 5:18PM
Fine if you don't like the image leave a constructive criticism.

If the only reason you don't like it is because Pete does, I think you need to get out more and concentrate on your own images.
Pete Plus
17 18.8k 97 England
26 May 2007 8:10PM

Quote:This site is getting absolutely pathetic. How many more times are captive birds sitting on posts going to get EC's when real wildlife photography is, for the most part, totally ignored?

Sorry Cheryl, not your fault I know, but it is now getting totally beyond a joke!

Ian, sorry it's you that's being (I hate to use the word) pathetic.
The latest POTW is a real wildlife photograph. Is this more about why I don't give your pics ECs? Study the difference sometime!
Every time I give Cheryl an EC I have finger flinch knowing that someone will get upset. But I am not compromising my choice to please a minority!
pennyspike 15 2.1k 29 United Kingdom
27 May 2007 9:07PM
Soft muted colours apart from the eyes and they are quite hypnotic.
IanA 14 3.0k 12 England
28 May 2007 10:04AM
Sorry if I ruffled some feathers.
My comment is based on the fact that 27 1/2% of captive EC's since April 2005 are of birds on sticks.

Well over 20% of the wildlife EC's are of captive subjects.

And Pete, I stopped worrying about whether you gave me EC's a long time ago and that is based on the fact that, where you have given them, you have overlooked far better images, something you demonstrated again recently!

csurry 16 9.2k 92
28 May 2007 10:50AM
But most of that anomaly is down to bad classification.

People fought to have a separation between wildlife and captive and I for one never post into both with the same image, since the new classification was introduced. The animal is either wild or captive, but not both. Therefore your own Ellie series should not be in the wildife category, and would itself distort the findings.

As for most captive birds being on a stick, not many other places to put them that look natural, is there? Since a branch is also a stick, I would think in one way or another is classifies nearly 100% of captive bird shots.

I'm sorry if you don't feel that you get your fair proportion of ECs, but there are better places to bring this up than constantly choosing my images.

There are plenty of Pete's choices that I do not agree with and that has included some of my own, but whilst I may joke about why an image has received an EC I don't belittle it.

We have had discussions on the merits of ECs on images before, but it should be restricted to the image itself. Not just that if Pete likes it we should criticise it for that reason alone.

I know one thing that I do not like about this image. So point that out, fine, but surely the forums are a better place for this discussion, where you can link to some of the images that offend you.

If you'd rather I stopped posting to make this an "even playing field" as you seem to believe that it is not - just come right out and say it.

Is it just my images that offend you?
IanA 14 3.0k 12 England
28 May 2007 11:39AM
I am sorry that you have taken offence, as I stated in my first post, it is not your fault, and I believed you a strong enough character not to get offended. As for constantly choosing your images, that's Pete, not me.

If there is something you don't like about the image, that is your perogative. I think it is a good image (as the majority of yours are) and there is very little to knit-pick about it. It is the same standard as many dozens of others you have posted. We have the disadvantage of only seeing a reduced size version, and that looks very good. You too, must have been fairly pleased with it to have posted in the first place.

I genuinely do not give a monkey's uncle if my images are chosen by Pete or not, the images I post are what I like. Fair proportions are nothing to do with it. There are people on here that have deserved the accolade many times over and never had a sniff. You have as much right to post as anyone else, and in no way do I want you to stop posting.

Having been instumental in splitting the categories in the first place, I know the points about captive/wild better than anyone. The Ellie image was included in my figures and came about when more than one category could be selected. I now only select a single category.

In short, it is not your images, or anyone else's images that offend me, far from it. I am sorry that you have taken it that way.
Rather than you stop posting, it will be far better if I stop visiting the gallery at all.

Take care, and keep posting Cheryl.

csurry 16 9.2k 92
28 May 2007 12:52PM

I did take offence, afraid it was one time too many. Every EC I get it met with some form of criticism that is not related to the image by email, in person, on the picture, or in the past in the forums.

In fact it was this and the petty abuse dished out to a couple of other individuals that led Pete to have to put the EC statement in the FAQs.

With this image I am pleased with the bg and the owl, the reason I post a lot of images I am not 100% happy with is to see if I am being too critical or whether someone else picks up on the same thing. I am, as most people acknowledge my own harshest critic. So what annoys me about this image? The extremely OOF tree at the right-hand edge of the frame. In fact before printing I cropped it out.

So, anyway, I accept that your statement was not intended personally, but you must be able to recognise that after 4 years of such similar comments when I get an EC that I am enititled to be fed up with it.

So please keep visiting the gallery, but don't get so hung up on the ECs and HCs, it is as Carabosse would say simply Pete's click.
Milvus 11 168 2 United Kingdom
29 May 2007 11:17PM
Stunning image - wish I had taken it myself.
bricurtis 12 2.2k 49 England
30 May 2007 10:48AM
I like the isolated look and those penetrating eyes.
Well done Cheryl. I am glad I don't get any EC's if they cause all this hassle Wink
30 May 2007 5:33PM
I don't know anything about the history or politics of epz but I think that this shot is a cracker - well done.
andmolliethedog 12 120 11 United Kingdom
31 May 2007 10:39AM
As a photograph I think its superb..and its a photographic site...well done on the HC.
Ingleman 11 9 4
14 Jun 2007 10:36PM
No wonder the owl looks startled, he's wondering what all the noise is about !

Andy I
20 Jun 2007 10:11AM
Absolutely stunning shot.
Julian 13 76 3 United Kingdom
4 Jul 2007 3:04PM
lovely shot and composition
gerrymac 10 10 1 United Kingdom
7 Aug 2007 4:52PM
It's a superb image thats all that matters,if it was a stuffed owl and photographed that way it would still be a superb image.
Marc_Andrews 11 100 Wales
8 Aug 2007 9:34AM
Captive & wild birds is something I've been working on lately and when I can pull off shots like this I'll be more than happy. Well done.
madusa1 10
30 Aug 2007 12:50PM
Brilliant capture well done.
pacman 14 29 Ireland
3 Dec 2007 9:42PM
excellent poto, i really like it

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