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Greyhound B&W

By AngTheAmateur  
I made several mistakes in taking this picture and so I have had to correct them all as best I could on Lightroom. The original photo (to be uploaded) shows that I over exposed it, but this was one of the photos of him standing, and unfortunately because I hadn't been able to get out practising before this, I was very luck he and his owner were very patient with me after explaining to her that I am newish to photography. So to correct the problems as didn't want to waste a good pose by deleting it, I cropped the image, then changed the exposure, brought a bit more clarity to the image. I also bought the whites, shadows and highlight sliders down.

I would be grateful for your critique as to my improvements, I have taken your previous comments and changed the settings on my camera so I will be in Aperture mode when taking the next lot of photos.
I thank everyone for all there comments and I hope you are able to see improvements in my images.


Tags: Black and white Greyhound Pets and captive animals Edited photo

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ddolfelin Plus
8 103 3 Wales
15 Apr 2017 12:58PM
You've done well on the post processing to get this far.

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15 Apr 2017 2:02PM
Thank you Ddolfelin, is there anything that could be done to improve the image?
15 Apr 2017 2:48PM
What I noticed immediately is that the photo is too small framed.
Even better would have been to show the complete legs of the dog.
It would also be better to set a larger diafragma aperture ( for instance f 3,5, which gives a smaller depth of sharpness) so you get a nicer blurred background.
An even lower position would make the photo more exciting (mostly when capturing annimals)
In Lightroom you can correct the ''bleeched'' back with the pencil.

Best regards,
15 Apr 2017 4:05PM
Dear Angela,

I visit your portfolio. You make very good pictures. A little constructive criticism, the horizon should always be on level.

Best regards,


If you need always can contact me !!....SmileSmile
pamelajean Plus
14 1.4k 2149 United Kingdom
15 Apr 2017 6:22PM
I applaud your effort to recover this image, Angie, but I'm afraid it still looks as if it has been recovered. If it weren't for the white jacket, I feel you'd have had a better chance, but even after reducing the highlights, the printing on the jacket has been degraded.
You used negative exposure compensation, but this won't have had any effect because you were shooting in manual.

You could do more work on it, but I'm not sure if it's worth it unless, of course, the dog were important to you and there is no other chance of getting a picture of it.
I do hope, however, that you are learning a lot from this sort of experience. The fact that you recognise faults is a step in the right direction. Critiquing your own pictures is a positive step forward.

You shot this at almost mid-day, when the day is at its brightest, and this is something to be avoided unless taking a picture is important.
You have clipped the dog's feet and that is certainly not recoverable.
Your shutter speed was quite slow, and there is movement showing in the dog's head.
There are people and dogs in the background, which would have been better if avoided.
The dog's lead is covering one of his ears (difficult to avoid without the co-operation of the handler).

One to learn from.

dudler Plus
17 1.2k 1679 England
15 Apr 2017 6:29PM
OK - first, you've done a very decent rescue job here, and it'll be sensible to use Aperture priority while you master other aspects of taking pictures.

There was a lot to rescue - the exposure is quite a long way out. If you shoot RAW files, you will find that you got more scope for recovering detail from badly exposed areas. So that's one thing to try.

As Joop says, including the feet and making sure the camera is level would both help. Choosing your viewpoint so that you don't get messy detail in the background will also improve your picture. Always look at what's going to be behind the subject and consider whether moving slightly will simplify things.

I think you would probably at or close to maximum aperture for this shot. You were at the long end of the zoom, and so you're probably didn't have scope to use and wider aperture. Even allowing for the overexposure, you were towards the limits of shutter speed and aperture. If the light isn't great, always consider raising the ISO. I'd be looking for a shutter speed of around 1/125 second or higher for this shot.

In my mod, I've straight and the shot; adjusted exposure in Adobe Camera Raw: delete that; cropped the shot; and cloned out the people and dogs in the background, very crudely. I started from your original shot, rather than the one you'd adjusted. It's always best to go as far back in the process as you can for this sort of thing, so I'm very grateful that you uploaded the unprocessed version!
dudler Plus
17 1.2k 1679 England
15 Apr 2017 6:32PM

It's wonderful that you're taking loads of pictures, making some mistakes, and getting straight back into the water!

It's very frustrating at times, but it's also an immensely rewarding part of learning photographic techniques, skills and dodges.

Keep shooting!
paulbroad 13 131 1289 United Kingdom
15 Apr 2017 10:33PM
Plenty of advice above, but I'm going to be slightly brutal. Unless the dog is yours, or important to you, it is just too far gone to keep. The tones are all wrong, the brighter areas flat and gray and you have lost part of his legs. It's also not terribly sharp.

If you use manual, you must understand exposure and you must check the LCD after shooting, adjust if necessary and shot again. Actually, you must master exposure whatever mode you use.

You must master exposure and getting the main subject sharp. They are both absolutely fundamental to any decent image. I may be being harsh ,and the advice above will help but anyone wishing to shot more than just family record must master the basics before they can move on.

dudler Plus
17 1.2k 1679 England
16 Apr 2017 8:40AM
A little harsh, Paul - Angie has acknowledged the shortcomings, and said she's going to use Aperture priority to sort future exposures. This is part of hte learning curve...

When I was first learning to print pictures, I remember dashing down the Market Place in Leek, from the Vicarage to Fred Jackson's photographic shop, carrying prints that looked just like this, so I could ask how to improve them.

We all got it wrong early on: you and I consigned our failures to the bin, while Angie and other posters here have to put their failures (as well as their successes) on the interwebs for everyone to see. She's braver than I was!

And, of course, you're quite right: the only reason to keep a shot that has gone badly wrong is as a reminder of how far we've come: I hope that in a couple of months Angie will be able to look back on this, and be delighted at how high she's climbed!
mrswoolybill Plus
13 2.2k 2247 United Kingdom
16 Apr 2017 8:42AM
You worked hard to retrieve this, you did your best. But my feelings are much the same as Paul's - when an exposure is this far off, combined with poor composition (feet cut off!), best to bin it, and save your time. But learn from it.

Like previous uploads in the CG, this was taken on manual with no apparent understanding of exposure. Did you check the image on your viewing screen afterwards? Even without checking the histogram it should have been obvious that you needed to try again!

So the lessons:

Don't use manual until you are totally confident that you understand every aspect, and equally important, how the settings knock off on each other. For example, in bright midday sunshine, a shutter speed of 1/15 second should ring alarm bells unless you are deliberately going for a very small aperture!

Get rid of that -4 exposure compensation! As with previous uploads, it won't have had any effect because you were in manual. If you had been in aperture priority, which would be the sensible mode here, the image would have been as catastrophically underexposed as this is overexposed. I really can think of no normal circumstances to push compensation that far!

Try aperture priority, check that the camera is calculating a sufficiently fast shutter speed for safety and adjust ISO as required; (1/15 second was way too slow! Like John I'd be looking for 1/125 second or preferably faster. Dogs breathe, blink, twitch!) No exposure compensation unless actually needed. Make sure you are seeing one auto focus point only, and use it carefully. Get into the swing of this so that it's a reflex reaction, done in moments. Then you can concentrate on getting a good composition.

Check out you image as soon as possible, to see if you need to adjust anything. Look at the histogram.

Can I suggest that you go out and try this out, and let us see the results. That's your homework for the week from me!

Then when you have practised all of this thoroughly, move on to manual if you feel you need the challenge.
paulbroad 13 131 1289 United Kingdom
16 Apr 2017 9:31AM
A touch strong, I know, but sometimes there is a need to be a little cruel to be kind. Using other modes does not teach an understanding of exposure, or any other system, it just makes it more likely that the exposure will be correct. The skill is to recognise a correctly exposed frame and correct it if it is not so, preferably at the taking stage.

In this case, the image will never look correct because it is too far out in the first place. Thus it becomes a record, a family memory, or a recycle bin case.

Look at other work, not just your own. Study the comments and modifications and thus determine in your mind what a generally accepted high quality image looks like. Then strive to master the procedure to reproduce that quality. Then you are on the road.

banehawi Plus
16 2.2k 4149 Canada
16 Apr 2017 3:42PM
Good recovery effort, but hard to get it looking right with so much highlight detail missing. Its also soft and not quite sharp due to the slow shutter.

Remember to review the shot in the LCD after you take it, and as needed, adjust and take a second shot.

I tried a mod of your recovery.


17 Apr 2017 10:44AM

Quote:Dear Angela,

I visit your portfolio. You make very good pictures. A little constructive criticism, the horizon should always be on level.

Best regards,


If you need always can contact me !!....SmileSmile
dark_lord Plus
16 2.6k 683 England
17 Apr 2017 9:27PM
Harsh but true, and some really helpful advice into the bargain.

On the positive side, it's a good learning experience, both in the taking side and finding out what you can do with Lightroom (quite amazed how much you have been able to recover) just in case you need to use some extreme processing in the future.
TanyaH Plus
17 1.3k 409 United Kingdom
19 Apr 2017 4:55PM
Angie, as hard as some of the comments above might seem at first, don't be disheartened in the slightest. Yes, some of those comments may feel a bit brutal, but they contain pearls of wisdom. If all we said were the nicey-nicey fluffy comments, then there'd be no learning whatsoever in that.

We've all been there. We've all messed things up beyond repair (and I still do it now!). And therein lies one of the most useful pieces of advice above (from Paul) - one of the best things you can learn as a photographer is when to give up on an image and consign it to the bin as a bad job. It's something we don't like doing, because we invest so much emotion into what we photograph and create, and it feels like we're throwing a piece of ourselves in the bin with the image. But there are times when you have to cut your losses, no matter how emotionally invested you are in an image Smile

It's a hard learning curve, but it's one that'll serve you well as you continue your photographic journey. I saw a quote on another member's portfolio page earlier that made me smile ... it said "Your first 10,000 photographs are your worst" and is attributed to Henri Cartier-Bresson. And we all know how he turned out Grin


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