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Ha Long Bay

By david1810
Have not submitted for some time. Overcast and fading light. Looking for any shooting and pp advice. In hindsight I should have closed my aperture a little?

Tags: Travel Seascape Black and white Landscape and travel

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david1810 9 1 Australia
29 Jun 2019 10:46AM
It looks a lot sharper in Lightroom. I exported at 1500 pixels long side at 300 dpi as the instructions suggested to use highest resolution available. Should I have exported differently? In the past I have exported at 1500 pixels long side at 72dpi.
steve_eb 13 372 9 United Kingdom
29 Jun 2019 11:25AM
Hi David

The tech data on your image is fine & shows no errors...
As for shooting advice it really comes down to what you wanted from the image shot so thats a difficult one to address other than saying theres nothing really wrong on your composition, cropping etc.
The post processing is pretty much as above, what do want to show the viewer...& again nothing really wrong at all boat position is great recession in the mountains is fab all is good for me.

I have done 2 quick edits one to add a bit of detail to the sky & the other to make it more about the sea, boat & mountains...

All the best & love the image.

saltireblue Plus
11 12.2k 76 Norway
29 Jun 2019 11:27AM
Very effective composition. The layers of mountains fading into the distance.

As far as uploading goes, do not resize your finished file, leave it at full size. The ePz logarithms will do the rest.
Always sharpen before uploading, my personal choice is careful use of High Pass filter.
Always convert (if needed) to sRGB before uploading. RGB will flatten and dull vibrant colours and affect the tonal look of b&w images.

Can you upload the original colour file? Add it as a modification. It is better to do a mod based on the original than on the conversion.Smile
david1810 9 1 Australia
29 Jun 2019 11:55AM
saltireblue. thanks for your comments. I have uploaded the colour version of my submission.

saltireblue Plus
11 12.2k 76 Norway
29 Jun 2019 12:16PM
Many thanks for the original colour version.
I've added a couple of mods. In the first I have used curves to bring out a bit more detail in the sea and make the nearest mountain and the boat more silhouette-like in appearance. The second mod is similar, but I have retained a bit more detail in the nearest mountain.
I haven't changed the sky as I found there was not really much to be found there. Both mods add more punch to the tonal range.
Not better than yours, just different.Smile

All done in Infinite Black&White Panel
mrswoolybill Plus
14 2.9k 2457 United Kingdom
29 Jun 2019 3:10PM
I like this a lot, it has an elegant, clean simplicity and also a dream-like quality.

Good move to get rid of that cut-off dark rock on the left!

My only quibble is that the muted greys do not really convey a sense of distance - that's the problem with a 2-dimensional image on a small screen. There's no great textural distance between the sea in front of us and in the distance. Also, the water is remarkably pale, normally I expect the sea to be around 10% darker than the sky. So I've added 30 seconds worth of tweaking to light...
banehawi Plus
17 2.5k 4263 Canada
29 Jun 2019 3:20PM
The best advice youve obtained already, do not re-size.

Looks like you might have been shooting into the brightest light; white balance failed badly here, should be warmer in these conditions.

Mono is a good choice, and Ive uploaded both a colour and a mono.


david1810 9 1 Australia
29 Jun 2019 3:39PM
Thanks Steve, saltireblue, Moira and Willie.

I love the varied and experienced critiques you guys offer. Such a great way to improve.

Thanks again for your time and your mods.


dark_lord Plus
17 2.8k 784 England
29 Jun 2019 6:03PM
Colour and mono are both attractive.

As for mono itself, as the mods show, there are numerous interpretations of the scene and there's no right or wrong answer, it's what you like. You can while away many hours playing and tweaking the image!

Given it's all mid to far distance your aperture should be fine, and at least on the image size here it's fine. To be certain f/8 or so would have been good but any more than that isn't going to make any difference here as there's no close foreground.

29 Jun 2019 6:05PM
Very nice photo, and I think you got very close with your initial upload.
The contrast change behind that nearest dark landmass... there's what looks a bit like a haloing effect. Did it look like that, or is it a telltale sign of processing?
Everything looks fine to me, otherwise.

I'll upload a mod. Small changes only. I've corrected the halo, darkened the immediate foreground slightly, which helps the tonal balance and subtly enhances depth, and cropped out some sky.

Nothing wrong with your aperture.

barrywebb 15 44 7 United Kingdom
29 Jun 2019 9:35PM
I think your mono version is just fine, enough depth of field and a nice range of tones that suits the recession. Maybe a slightincrease the whites would be good. I would also crop a little off the bottom, as the open area of sea isn't adding much to the image. I would have been very pleased to have taken this shot.
david1810 9 1 Australia
1 Jul 2019 3:00AM
Again thankyou all for your time and critiques.



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