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Ivy Rose

By canam
I am trying to achieve a quality that is good enough to use in a panel for licentiate. This image was taken in a country park and there is a blown out area to the left of the subject's head. Can this be improved? Would it come up to standard for a panel? I like the curls and rosy cheeks but can it be improved upon? I like how the subject is back lit but am really concerned re the blown out area

Tags: Child photography Curls Portraits and people Child aged 2-3yrs

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mrswoolybill Plus
13 1.9k 2165 United Kingdom
20 May 2017 9:23PM
It's a delightfully spontaneous, quirky image. Timeless - children have always played like this. And there's a sense of direct, honest communication.

LRPS panel material? I shall leave that to others with direct experience. (Photographing with an LRPS who needed someone else to set her camera for her, and panicked when the light dropped because she didn't know what to do, killed any interest I ever had!)

I'm seeing three issues. The section top left, as you mention. More critically for me, the fact that both hands are cut off. They need to be complete. And the lack of light on the eyes. They look dull, flat. That last one can be addressed, but the hands are a big problem for me.

I shall be interested in what others say.
Moira

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canam 4 6 Scotland
20 May 2017 9:30PM
Ok I see it, as you say the catch lights can be brought out, will look again at raw image and see if I can get those hands back in. Thank you so much.

Can understand why you lost interest in LRPS
mrswoolybill Plus
13 1.9k 2165 United Kingdom
20 May 2017 9:32PM
If this is cropped down from a larger file, could you upload it please? You can add it as a modification.
dudler Plus
16 1.1k 1598 England
20 May 2017 9:40PM
You'll need views from people who are in touch with RPS standards and fashions at present, I think!

I think that at times, that would have been a surefire killer for an image: at others, maybe not.

My own view - which may be shared by a few others in the Critique Team - is that sometimes, content overrides technical perfection. But if your portfolio as a whole rests on perfect sharpness, exposure, and so on, an odd image out may be a problem.

Certainly, a unifying theme or look, preferably both, will run through a really good portfolio.
canam 4 6 Scotland
20 May 2017 9:41PM

Quote:You'll need views from people who are in touch with RPS standards and fashions at present, I think!

I think that at times, that would have been a surefire killer for an image: at others, maybe not.

My own view - which may be shared by a few others in the Critique Team - is that sometimes, content overrides technical perfection. But if your portfolio as a whole rests on perfect sharpness, exposure, and so on, an odd image out may be a problem.

Certainly, a unifying theme or look, preferably both, will run through a really good portfolio.

canam 4 6 Scotland
20 May 2017 9:42PM
Thanks Dudler
Robert51 11 7 95 United Kingdom
21 May 2017 9:04AM
Great shot and the issues have been covered above. Remember these are just how people feel and if you ask 100 people you will get 100 different answers. John has made a point that all the great images that you remember of recent years at about the subject. The man in front of the tank etc...
The mod I have used Nik filters to lighten the centre face and darken the edge, also Nik Dfine to remove noise and soften the image. I have played with the eyes but left the highlights.

Remember you have to do what you feel is right and if others like it then that's a bonus.

Robert

The real winner here is that wonderful face...
canam 4 6 Scotland
21 May 2017 9:21AM

Quote:Great shot and the issues have been covered above. Remember these are just how people feel and if you ask 100 people you will get 100 different answers. John has made a point that all the great images that you remember of recent years at about the subject. The man in front of the tank etc...
The mod I have used Nik filters to lighten the centre face and darken the edge, also Nik Dfine to remove noise and soften the image. I have played with the eyes but left the highlights.

Remember you have to do what you feel is right and if others like it then that's a bonus.

Robert

The real winner here is that wonderful face...

canam 4 6 Scotland
21 May 2017 9:22AM
Thank you Robert, is that the free NIK filters?
mrswoolybill Plus
13 1.9k 2165 United Kingdom
21 May 2017 9:48AM
Robert is referring to the Nik Collection that can be downloaded for free from Google.

I'd really like to see the original. But I've just uploaded a modification based on your upload..

I cropped much tighter, to cut out most of the background problem but keep a hint of back-lighting on the hair; and also to get rid of the cut-off bits of hands.

I kept your aspect ration and also the quirky off-centre placement. I think this has the strengths of the original without the distractions.

The problem with back-lighting is that the face is in shadow. With a planned shot, this would have benefited from the use of a reflector to put some light onto the face, and particularly the eyes. As it is, I have lightened slightly overall, then I used the dodge and burn tools, respectively set to highlights and shadows, at 3% exposure (NB these are very powerful tools, best to build up the effect very gently), with a large brush for the face overall and then with a much smaller brush on the eyes. There is a hint of a catchlight, I tried to boost that.

I also toned down reds slightly and boosted yellows - not a big difference. And I added a bit of sharpening just to the eyes.

It's a very simple job, suggestions really as to how you could develop the image.
Moira
canam 4 6 Scotland
21 May 2017 9:58AM
Thanks Moira, I'm having problems with my adobe so will upload the original when I get it sorted
banehawi Plus
15 2.2k 4093 Canada
21 May 2017 1:52PM
NIK collection is free, HERE


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banehawi Plus
15 2.2k 4093 Canada
21 May 2017 2:15PM
Shes very cute and photogenic, and the pose is great.

We really do need to see the original, ans there are many issues with this, mostly mentioned above.

I would add:

f/2.2 is likely too wide an aperture.

White Balance is very inaccurate, way too red overall.

Image is essentially back-lit, and should have a positive exposure compensation; since you shot in M mode, place the meter pointer to the right of centre, about +2/3.

Post processing has produced some issues with her eyes and skin, that may be exaggerated by some of the exposure issues.

I have loaded a few mods. All have significant exposure increase; red reduced and yellow increased a lot. Slight smoothing of lower cheeks.


Regards


W
canam 4 6 Scotland
21 May 2017 7:05PM

Quote:NIK collection is free, HERE


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canam 4 6 Scotland
21 May 2017 7:06PM
Thank you Smile
paulbroad 12 131 1288 United Kingdom
21 May 2017 7:13PM
Quite ca nice shot and difficult conditions well handled. The light is very warm because of time of day and I, personally, would err on the side of warm every time with such a shot.

That is a part answer to your question - would it be good enough. Who knows? Depends on who is on the judging panel n the day yo submit. ALL judges are biased whatever they might say. Once technical issues are decided, content is entirely personnal. Some will like, some will not.

I' like Moira, have little time for RPS distinctions like any other distinction that you have to, in effect, pay for every year. Unless there have been great changes, the distinctions are open to misuse. I knew several so called photographers with ARPS and one with an FRPS where I knew for certain others had helped and even printed there shots - but they didn't admit it.

The best photographers shoot good images, and keep doing so. They don't just try and prove it once, then keep paying the membership fee.

A bit cynical, I know, but that is my feeling. It is something to aim at and you will know if it were earned properly, or not.

Paul
canam 4 6 Scotland
21 May 2017 7:38PM
Thanks Paul,

You know, I think I am rapidly being put off going for distinctions and concentrate more on just improving my own work

Maggie
canam 4 6 Scotland
21 May 2017 8:47PM
Have uploaded another modification, tried to warm it up, brighten face, sharpen eyes, darken edges, soften skin and reduce reds.

I think it's better

Thanks everybody for the constructive critique, it is really appreciated.

Maggie
banehawi Plus
15 2.2k 4093 Canada
21 May 2017 9:08PM
Thanks for the original. Theres a lot to see here that can benefit with some changes, first of all, to technique.

Her eyes are soft, not sharp. You still have a manual WB set for your original, what was it set to? Many issues start right there.

Re the eyes, apart from using a smaller aperture which gives a better chance of sharp eyes, do you use the default multiple focus points? If you do, you will get much better results by selecting only one, single focus point (the red dots in the frame that light when focused); and once you know how to do that, never, ever use multiple points again. There is evident here that part of the top of her hair was where the camera actually focused.

Rather red, though not as bad. If this was a sunny day, as it appears to be, the tone should be warm from the start if white balance is right.

I worked a bit on the original, and sharpened the eyes. Your mods to achieve warmer results are not working well, she is looking even more underexposed. How are you doing this warming, - we may be able to help with the technique you use. At the least, dont apply warming to the eyes when warming the face, it will look weird.


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canam 4 6 Scotland
21 May 2017 9:12PM

Quote:Thanks for the original. Theres a lot to see here that can benefit with some changes, first of all, to technique.

Her eyes are soft, not sharp. You still have a manual WB set for your original, what was it set to? Many issues start right there.

Re the eyes, apart from using a smaller aperture which gives a better chance of sharp eyes, do you use the default multiple focus points? If you do, you will get much better results by selecting only one, single focus point (the red dots in the frame that light when focused); and once you know how to do that, never, ever use multiple points again. There is evident here that part of the top of her hair was where the camera actually focused.

Rather red, though not as bad. If this was a sunny day, as it appears to be, the tone should be warm from the start if white balance is right.

I worked a bit on the original, and sharpened the eyes. Your mods to achieve warmer results are not working well, she is looking even more underexposed. How are you doing this warming, - we may be able to help with the technique you use. At the least, dont apply warming to the eyes when warming the face, it will look weird.


W

canam 4 6 Scotland
21 May 2017 9:15PM
I used the photo filter adjustment layer in photoshop, I followed a tutorial once on editing child images and this was how they did it so have used it since to warm an image.
banehawi Plus
15 2.2k 4093 Canada
22 May 2017 1:46AM
Make sure when using that filter that you click Preserve Luminosity; this seems to have been applied with preserving luminosity (brightness).

It will be applied on a layer so you can use the back paint brush on the eyes to exclude them from warming.

I will upload my latest mod with a warm filter, luminosity on, then off to show the difference.


Willie
canam 4 6 Scotland
22 May 2017 7:19AM
ahh yes, I see that, thank you so much. I also think I maybe over edited, trying to do everything that everyone had suggested.

Every day is a school day. It is so good to get honest comments giving clear advice

Thanks again

Maggie
Robert51 11 7 95 United Kingdom
22 May 2017 8:44AM
Thanks for the original, this helps to give you a feel for the image.

From this I have taken the picture a different way with a much lighter touch and trying to keep that charm of the original. The light on the top right I have removed and given the image a soft feel. Hope you like it...

It also shows how many way you can take an image.

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