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Juxtapose

By CliveOMD
OLYMPUS DIGITAL CAMERA, OM-D E-M5 Mark mk2 with 14-150mm.
Southwark Cathedral and the Shard.
South bank of the river Thames.

Tags: Sky London Old Modern Clouds Architecture Cathedral Juxtaposed

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dudler Plus
18 1.7k 1877 England
5 Aug 2020 12:11PM
Hi, Clive, and welcome to the Critique Gallery. I think it's your first time here, though you've been a member of the site for a while.

If we're going to give you the best feedback that we possibly can, we need some real input from you, including a lot more information. That way, the critique that we give is far more likely to be what you are looking for, and consequently far more helpful to you.

What is your reason for requesting critique?
What inspired you to take this photo?
What were you hoping to achieve?
Do you feel that you succeeded or failed?
Are there any specific elements of your photo that you want help with?
Do you want advice on camera settings, processing, composition, or something else?
Do you have any particular questions you would like answered?

Without that data, it's only possible to offer limited comments.

Your settings tick most of the boxes, and it seems an interesting idea to juxtapose one of the worst buildings in London (that's a personal view, but strongly held) with a rather traditional Church of England building - Southwark Cathedral, I think?

A couple of thoughts: you've lost some tone in the sky because the tonal range was pretty extreme: I think I'd either have allowed some of the foreground to go darker (and not used the +2/3 compensation you dialled in), or taken multiple images at different exposures to produce an HDR image.

I might have cropped a little to lose the parking sign at the bottom of the frame, too.

But tell us more, and we can focus our comments on your areas of concern.
dark_lord Plus
17 2.8k 784 England
5 Aug 2020 12:17PM
Hi Clive, welcome to epz and the Critique Gallery.
I see you've been a member for a while but not uploaded to the Critique Gallery.

If we're going to give you the best feedback that we can, we need some more information from you. That way, the critique that we give is far more likely to be what you are looking for, and consequently far more helpful to you.

Such as one or more of:
What is your reason for requesting critique?
What inspired you to take this photo?
What were you hoping to achieve?
Do you feel that you succeeded or failed?
Are there any specific elements of your photo that you want help with?
Do you want advice on camera settings, processing, composition, or something else?

It would be uiseful to knw what processing you've done.
I suspect correction of vertcals and, given the detail in the bright sky, some recovery of shadow detail.
All of which looks fine so until we hear more my mod (you can view it by clicking on the blue 'Modifications' tab above) just makes the image warmer. The colour balance of your origina ia very cold in tone, which is a characteristic of Auto White Balance. The scens is not lit by direct sun so you could set 'Cloudy' white balance in camera or be prepared to adjust in post processing.
dark_lord Plus
17 2.8k 784 England
5 Aug 2020 12:18PM
Looks like me and John were typing at the same time Smile
dudler Plus
18 1.7k 1877 England
5 Aug 2020 1:20PM
Parallel thoughts, Keith...
chase Plus
16 2.2k 578 England
5 Aug 2020 2:36PM
Hi Clive and a welcome from me too.

Some important questions above which could do with answering but....I do like this POV, lots of detail.
Keiths' mod has warmed things up a little which I think is a much better white balance, the original being quite blue and cold.

I would have cloned out or cropped off the parking sign at the bottom as it's not really adding to the composition and there is only part of it in the frame.
Some of the clouds are over exposed, you perhaps could have taken 2 frames, one exposed for the nice cloudy sky and one for the buildings. There would be an alternative... to use the clone tool set to 'darken' to help the blown highlights in the clouds along a little.

Please let us know what, if any post processing you have done to this, any more info would be gratefully received.
chase Plus
16 2.2k 578 England
5 Aug 2020 2:50PM
I did do a vey swift mod based on Keiths warmer version.
Cloned away the parking sign.
Had a bash at the clouds with the clone tool set to darken @ 33%.
Not a fabulous result but it shows you where I was coming from in my first comment.
dudler Plus
18 1.7k 1877 England
5 Aug 2020 4:20PM
Occasionally, it's possible to rescue images with a sort of fake HDR process, by overexposing and underexposing versions of the original, and then recombining them. It didn't work here.

However, this made me look at the image very carefully, and I see the signs of quite a bit of work on the sky already - did you burn it in, in some way, to make it darker? There are telltale white haloes around the buildings. Burning in needs to be done subtly, and that means several passes at low exposure setting, rather than one or two at full strength.

I also altered the white balance a bit, and played with the verticals - a little bit of convergence looks better than absolutely precise lines.

The final thing is that if you shot RAW, you may well be able to recover a bit more detail from the original file. In any case, I'd like to see a 'straight' JPG, without any editing at all.That will help with analysing the image.

And a general response would be helpful - there are a lot of unanswered questions about this...
banehawi Plus
17 2.5k 4263 Canada
5 Aug 2020 5:21PM
Im arriving late and its almost all been said.

I would like to know what post processing you have performed on this, and if you have an original, unprocessed version still, it would be nice if you could upload it here by clicking modifications, then upload, then select the original; it will show here as a mod.

I notice a very cold colour cast, odd colours in the tree; slightly dive4rging verticals (to be expected shooting upwards), and a general lack of real detail, possible attributable to the aperture, - not sure, - could also be post processing.

I did upload a mod and like the rest, not really confident its the best that can be done with this unless we see the original. Verticals adjusted, brighter buildings, warmer tone, some saturation, sharpening.


Regards


Willie
mrswoolybill Plus
14 2.9k 2455 United Kingdom
5 Aug 2020 6:28PM
A warm, if belated, welcome from me too - I hope you'll enjoy the Critique gallery and find it useful.

Colour processing has been covered comprehensively. What struck me here was the very crisp, almost graphic character of the architecture. I wanted to try mono, and I added a hint of sepia which suits masonry. (I brightened first.) It's an alternative that's well worth considering.

Mono worked in Nik Silver Efex.

I also skewed bottom right out a tiny bit, it gives a more 'grounded' feel to me.
Moira
capto Plus
9 6.7k 25 United Kingdom
6 Aug 2020 6:14PM
Great technical advice above. My first sight impression was....it needs a little ooomph.
A quick and easy way which often works is [in PS] to make a duplicate layer and blend them with the soft light mode. Instant oomph which may need just a little adjustment. This is what I did plus just a little dodging.
ivor
CliveOMD 5 9 United Kingdom
7 Aug 2020 5:28PM
Wow some in-depth advice there.
Only processing was done in ps express on a tablet, no layers unfortunately. I may have another go on my pc.
Thanks for the help especially with the white balance, and I will give it ago in b&w.
dudler Plus
18 1.7k 1877 England
7 Aug 2020 7:11PM
An unprocessed file would be welcome - as would whether you shoot in RAW...

A second run at processing may well improve things: reshooting definitely will - though you may wait for spectacular clouds like those.

I'm not sure if the EM-5 II allows shooting bracketed sequences: I know the original EM-1 does. Useful in such circumstances.
CliveOMD 5 9 United Kingdom
8 Aug 2020 4:55PM
Shot as jpeg only, I will post the original from my pc later, I had no tripod so couldn't do the bracketed exposures.
dudler Plus
18 1.7k 1877 England
9 Aug 2020 7:55AM
Handheld, an auto sequence will work, in most circumstances, I think - Photoshop and other software will align the images and address many of the problems.

Shooting RAW is well worth it because of the extra flexibility and detail, especially in circumstances like this.

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