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Karting at Three Sisters

By alloutraw
One shot from a quick visit to Three Sisters Circuit today before it started pouring down.
Also my first time shooting karts.
I'm still learning motorsport photography but I have taken some advice from people on here and also got in touch with a local motorsport photographer who was nice enough to let me shadow him for this event.


Tags: Circuit Motorsport Motor racing Karting racing Sports and action

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DaveRyder Plus
6 4.4k 7 United Kingdom
27 Jul 2019 5:50PM
Hi Carl,
If you look at the series of shots you've uploaded you can see progression image by image so for me well done.

My tenpeneth, for what it's worth, on this one.

On this particular one I've uploaded a mod.
Crop - I removed a reasonable amount of right hand image but enough to see the kart is leaving a corner while keeping the next apex in view so that you can see what the driver is looking at.

From a more photographic view point - I've sharpened & increased exposure a little.

I'd have increase the f stop a couple of stops by going to 1/500 (OK at 220mm) and increasing ASA to 640 to account.

Also - Top marks for seeking guidance at the track. The best workshop is with a pro at the point of tacking the shot.

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alloutraw 1 5
27 Jul 2019 7:05PM
Hi Dave
Thanks for the positive words.
I did try cropping the right hand side in LR as I thought there was to much track, but at the same time I wanted the track visible, I suppose its personal preference but I do see your point with the cropping in the mod. Maybe somewhere in the middle ?

I would agree with you as the image was underexposed when taken. I mustn't have been keeping an eye on my settings and exposure bar Sad

The photographer I was with isn't a pro but very knowledgeable and knew the track well. It helped anyways as I learnt a few tricks and settings for my camera as he is a Nikon shooter as well.

Thanks
Carl





Quote:Hi Carl,
If you look at the series of shots you've uploaded you can see progression image by image so for me well done.

My tenpeneth, for what it's worth, on this one.

On this particular one I've uploaded a mod.
Crop - I removed a reasonable amount of right hand image but enough to see the kart is leaving a corner while keeping the next apex in view so that you can see what the driver is looking at.

From a more photographic view point - I've sharpened & increased exposure a little.

I'd have increase the f stop a couple of stops by going to 1/500 (OK at 220mm) and increasing ASA to 640 to account.

Also - Top marks for seeking guidance at the track. The best workshop is with a pro at the point of tacking the shot.

banehawi Plus
16 2.2k 4149 Canada
27 Jul 2019 8:20PM
I agree, definitely seeing progress.

Apart form the good feedback from Dave, - as before, I notice the image is underexposed quite a bit.

Since youre shooting in Manula mode, - does the camera have Auto ISO, and if so, does it work in M mode? Or do you have to set ISO yourself?


Mod uploaded



regards


Willie
alloutraw 1 5
27 Jul 2019 9:44PM
Hi banehawi
Glad to hear im getting somwhere.
Yeh the image was under exposed. I have adjusted this on the photo i uploaded.
Your mod seems alittle yellow not sure if its because im on my phone.

I choose my own iso. I could put it on auto but i dont feel id learn by letting my camera do everything.

Thanks
Carl


Quote:I agree, definitely seeing progress.

Apart form the good feedback from Dave, - as before, I notice the image is underexposed quite a bit.

Since youre shooting in Manula mode, - does the camera have Auto ISO, and if so, does it work in M mode? Or do you have to set ISO yourself?


Mod uploaded



regards


Willie

Chris_L 6 5.5k United Kingdom
28 Jul 2019 8:37AM
Nice and sharp but it feels like you didn't compose this image, seems you pointed your camera at the centre of the subject and fired. When things are at speed it's often composition that suffers. Notice next time you watch a movie, in which someone is walking / driving / cycling down a street, where the director tends to position them in the frame. It tends to look better if there is more space for them to walk or drive into. I'm going to try and mod your image to show that, but it's going to be tough as I will have to try and move the subject.
mrswoolybill Plus
13 2.2k 2247 United Kingdom
28 Jul 2019 9:09AM
Motor sport is where I started off in 'serious' photography, around forty years ago. A curve in the track is always good, it will give dynamic angles, a good view of the front of the vehicle and the driver, and it allows you to at least roughly plan and compose the shot in advance. Don't ignore that aspect!

I'd like to see more space on the left, for the reasons that Chris mentions. And less on the right, because space behind a subject's back (any subject... ) is usually wasted space. I'd also like to see more space at the top of the frame, it looks cramped there, as though the upper edge is bearing down on him.

This is a crop, can we see the original full frame please? You can add it as a modification.
Moira
Chris_L 6 5.5k United Kingdom
28 Jul 2019 9:13AM
Added mods, had to fake some stuff so it might look odd. Please upload uncropped as Moira suggests. Also look up "panning with subject photography" (simulated in my last mods)
mrswoolybill Plus
13 2.2k 2247 United Kingdom
28 Jul 2019 9:20AM
And I've added mod 7 which is simply a crop with added space at the top, left blank but with a frame to delineate the extra space. (Ignore mod 6 where the added space doesn't show up against the white background). This is just to show how more careful placement in the frame can work.)

I don't know what would have been in that background of course, but it would have been softly blurred so it would have sat back nicely, and I like to include relevant context...
alloutraw 1 5
28 Jul 2019 9:25AM
Thanks for the comments.
My previous issues where getting the subjects sharp. That is what im working on at the moment.
It seems ive done the same thing again with this image as a previous one and put more behind than infront. This was mentioned on a previous picture. Ill work on this and my composition.
Glad my imagies are getting sharper though.
dudler Plus
17 1.2k 1679 England
28 Jul 2019 9:39AM
Late to the party, but I like this!

Definitely much sharper. Good.

I like the positioning, with the corner showing behind, but it needs more space above (or ls below). As the next bend is a major part of the story, more space at the top is the answer...

My solution would be to use Aperture priority, in almost every circumstance, but particularly when there's something else I want to concentrate on. However, if the light is steady, take a manual reading, and check it carefully is a decent strategy.

Compositionally, in general, shoot a little wider and crop. Not ideal, bu it takes the focus off precise framing.
alloutraw 1 5
28 Jul 2019 9:42AM
I've added the full frame shot as a mod 8
mrswoolybill Plus
13 2.2k 2247 United Kingdom
28 Jul 2019 10:53AM
Thanks for adding the original, it's what I hoped to see! I reckon those tyres are important context, and they are soft enough not to compete for attention with the kart.

I've added mod 9, I cropped using your aspect ratio, to include the curve of grass but place the kart well to the right in the frame. I lightened somewhat, and also reduced saturation on yellows to give a less acidic look.

Good shot, though a fraction of a second earlier would have been better placement against the curve.

My approach is different to John's - I'd use shutter speed priority here, because a fast speed is essential and the light can easily drop without you noticing immediately; plan the shot, check the aperture that your shutter speed is enabling, up the ISO if necessary. Then lock your focus on the plane where you are going to want the kart to appear...
alloutraw 1 5
28 Jul 2019 11:11AM
I see what your saying mrswoolybill.
Not sure why i cropped the top off looking at it now.


Quote:Thanks for adding the original, it's what I hoped to see! I reckon those tyres are important context, and they are soft enough not to compete for attention with the kart.

I've added mod 9, I cropped using your aspect ratio, to include the curve of grass but place the kart well to the right in the frame. I lightened somewhat, and also reduced saturation on yellows to give a less acidic look.

Good shot, though a fraction of a second earlier would have been better placement against the curve.

My approach is different to John's - I'd use shutter speed priority here, because a fast speed is essential and the light can easily drop without you noticing immediately; plan the shot, check the aperture that your shutter speed is enabling, up the ISO if necessary. Then lock your focus on the plane where you are going to want the kart to appear...

dudler Plus
17 1.2k 1679 England
28 Jul 2019 8:38PM
Moira's mod rocks!

And her approach to camera settings is the conventional one for action. But different approaches can work - what is usually fatal is to adopt bits and pieces, rather than any one methodology.
mrswoolybill Plus
13 2.2k 2247 United Kingdom
29 Jul 2019 2:43PM

Quote:what is usually fatal is to adopt bits and pieces, rather than any one methodology.

That's important, you need to understand your system and be comfortable with it, so that you can adapt settings promptly when necessary.
paulbroad 13 131 1289 United Kingdom
29 Jul 2019 9:30PM



much better. Near sharp , but it could be just a touch better. As Moira says, the cart is too central, more on the left, rest on the right.

If you want to use manual, you must continually check exposure and be aware of lighting variations in a pa. Why use manual/

no need in this day and age. I would be at ISO400 to 800 and shutter priority auto - and I've been doing this 60 years so have some basic knowledge. It is much easier to adjust exposure compensation during shooting rather than manual metering and resulting regular corrections.

paul
alloutraw 1 5
30 Jul 2019 7:55AM
Thanks Paul
Would you set up iso to auto but set perameters from 400-800?
Ill try shutter priority see what i manage to get.

Quote:


much better. Near sharp , but it could be just a touch better. As Moira says, the cart is too central, more on the left, rest on the right.

If you want to use manual, you must continually check exposure and be aware of lighting variations in a pa. Why use manual/

no need in this day and age. I would be at ISO400 to 800 and shutter priority auto - and I've been doing this 60 years so have some basic knowledge. It is much easier to adjust exposure compensation during shooting rather than manual metering and resulting regular corrections.

paul

dudler Plus
17 1.2k 1679 England
31 Jul 2019 6:26PM
As your experience is less than Paul's - after all, you posted here because you're learning - I'd set the upper limit a good bit higher.

Start getting the image sharp first, then bring the ISO down progressively as your technique matures. I'd probably start with 3200 at the top...

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