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By arhab
This is my third uplad. The two upload before, didn't attrack the critique team, only attracked some fellow photographer who nicely give construqtive comment on first image and just saying nice color on second image. so, I change my image into black & white (thank u Ben Freer for the idea). because i think, my image doesn't sharp enough and can't compete in color with other image taken from SLR.

Just playing with composition and a few adjustment using photoscape and irfanview, and hopefully the image can looks "classic" and can attrack the critique team to comment Grin

Tags: Black and white Portraits and people

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DonSchaeffer 11 15 United States
3 Mar 2012 4:47PM
Nice balance between sidewalk lines and children

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arhab 4 43 2 Indonesia
3 Mar 2012 4:58PM
Thank you DonSmile
mhfore 9 6 176 England
3 Mar 2012 5:29PM
Hi Arhab,

While you have captured a good subject with children playing I feel you have cropped this image to tight at the top. You have captured some blur in the hand of the little boy who is jumping but surley he if jumps any higher he's going to bang his head on the top of the image. This image would work a lot better if you had left more space at the top, of course, this my opinion only.

Take care

Martin
DRicherby 8 269 725 United Kingdom
3 Mar 2012 5:46PM
Welcome to ePhotozine!

I'm sorry we didn't pick up on your earlier uploads. It's quite hard to give useful critique on photos taken with phones because the photographer has very little control over the results -- essentially, all you can do is point the camera in the right direction, press the button and hope for the best.

From your uploads so far, it seems you have a good eye for a photograph. Here, you've found an interesting subject and the children look comfortable in front of the camera. There is quite a lot of empty space to the sides, though, and, like Martin, I feel it would be helpful to have a bit more space at the top. More space at the bottom would let you get the whole of the nearer boy into the frame, too. All of this suggests a portrait orientation rather than landscape.

I'm not sure that black and white is really the best choice here. I imagine these children wearing brightly-coloured clothes, standing out against a dull concrete background and I think that might make the shot stronger. I don't agree with the premise that black and white somehow hides the lack of detail in the shot and, in fact, I think it makes detail more important because there's no colour to distract my attention. However, I do think you've done the black and white conversion fairly well and it has a decent amount of contrast. It looks like you've tried to sharpen, which has introduced a few haloes; unfortunately, while sharpening is good for intensifying detail that's already present, it can't create detail that the camera has missed.

I hope that doesn't sound too negative and that it doesn't discourage you. Working with a phone camera tends to be quite limiting and, to get the best out of it, you have to work within those limitations. Because there's often substantial 'shutter lag' (you press the button and it waits a second or three before taking the photo), action shots are hard; the cameras tend to do badly in low light, too. You have a good eye so keep looking out for things to photograph and keep practising!

Dave.
arhab 4 43 2 Indonesia
3 Mar 2012 7:14PM
Dave and Martin, thank u for the suggestion. Unfortunately can't give any space again on the bottom. And yes, it's hard working with a phone camera. while, my focus is learning the composition.
NEWMANP Plus
8 1.6k 574 United Kingdom
3 Mar 2012 11:37PM
i like the composition and it works quite well in mono which provides an old fashioned reportage feel. often, quite normal pictures are transformed into serious work simply by a mono conversion.

the leaping child works really well and i dont mind at all the croping at the base which has been done in an acceptable position. has it been halfway down the legs, it may not have worked as well.

as its taken on a phone its never going to be an image in which you have any control over its exposure and focus so its hard to pass comment in that way and in that sense its not one that should be up for critique, however an image is an image and the way its taken reflects its finished qualities so i shall continue as if it were taken on a dslr.

it was taken in flat light which is a bad start to most pictures and the inherent lack of contrast has been compensated for in postprocessing creating blown highlights and overall a lack of sharpness in areas that aught to be sharp.

the very white triangular shape top left is quite distracting and i wonder if it may be possible to clone it away.

i like the shot but it would have been better taken on a camera with some control over some photographic decisions and with some better light.

stick with the mono and i think you will get some good results from this type of shot

regards
Phil
Sooty_1 6 1.5k 220 United Kingdom
4 Mar 2012 10:26AM
I am not really a fan of shooting down on kids from adult height. So, in addition to the comments made (especially by Dave), I would suggest getting down to the childrens' level.

Nick
arhab 4 43 2 Indonesia
6 Mar 2012 6:29AM

Quote:as its taken on a phone its never going to be an image in which you have any control over its exposure and focus so its hard to pass comment in that way and in that sense its not one that should be up for critique, however an image is an image and the way its taken reflects its finished qualities so i shall continue as if it were taken on a dslr.
Yes, I believe from this image even dslr user will get any lesson

it was taken in flat light which is a bad start to most pictures and the inherent lack of contrast has been compensated for in postprocessing creating blown highlights and overall a lack of sharpness in areas that aught to be sharp.
Just google it for flat light. I understood now

the very white triangular shape top left is quite distracting and i wonder if it may be possible to clone it away.
I think just like you, but I don't know how to do it

i like the shot but it would have been better taken on a camera with some control over some photographic decisions and with some better light.
stick with the mono and i think you will get some good results from this type of shot
I noted it, and will try it in the future

regards
Rahman

arhab 4 43 2 Indonesia
6 Mar 2012 6:37AM
Scooty, I don't see any images on your portfolio. Grin Yes I knew it. But, this images taken in 2010 when i have not learned photography. If you see unedit version... it's bad. And you know, it's hard to shoot on kids who running here and there.Smile Thank you scooty to remind me...

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