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Lemonroyd Marina 2

By Philo  
A different version of yesterday's upload to see what everyone thinks.

Tags: Landscape and travel

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Perfect reflections, well captured - Raja.

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Philo 7 99 83 England
26 Jul 2010 6:54AM
Many thanks Raja.
26 Jul 2010 7:12AM
fanatastic reflections
Philo 7 99 83 England
26 Jul 2010 12:47PM
I thought I would offer a bit of self critique on this. The object of the shot was to capture the boats and their reflection (plus bonus of man playing guitar). The first upload did this with the bridge forming a subtle frame. On the second upload I feel that the image works in it's own right but the bridge itself has become more dominant and therefore is less effective in terms of portraying the main focal point of the boats.
Am I on the right track here?
banehawi Plus
13 1.7k 3771 Canada
26 Jul 2010 5:59PM
Im going to be the odd man out here Phil. I dont like this shot, as its really an exercise in getting the entire bridge to work as a frame. The frame distracts from the boat scene imo, and the last shot is similar.
It ends up being a poster shot, - which is OK if thats the intent, but doesnt have any mood or atmosphere to it at all.

There have to be many better shooting opportunities here (though I dont know this place).

You own instincts are right and should be trusted!

Edit: didnt see anyone with a guitar until I read you note!


pamelajean Plus
11 1.0k 1962 United Kingdom
26 Jul 2010 6:46PM
After your last shot, this is very interesting, including the railings, and I find myself liking it a lot, although I agree the larger the framing, the less the eye settles on the image in the middle. Congratulations on the straightness and removal of the blue signs. I noticed the guitar player, but he isn't all that obvious. I am wondering if a crop to the centre of the railings may be a compromise (top and bottom)? In fact, just mousing up and down on the image, I think it would, because it's the tops of those trees that are starting to make the framing a bit too fussy and distracting.
Philo 7 99 83 England
26 Jul 2010 8:55PM
Thanks for your honesty Willie, I expected more comments like this as I wasn't sure if it worked, version 2 especially. I have tried to get better shots but it is quite restricted due to being totally fenced off hence why I tried this. Do you think this would work better if the bottom was cropped just below the reflected trees such that it is only framed on 3 sides?
I will just keep on trying.
Philo 7 99 83 England
26 Jul 2010 9:04PM
Hi Pamela and thanks again for your kind comments. It's interesting to hear you having the same dilemma over cropping as me. I agree the guitar man isn't too obvious, I certainly didn't see him when I took the shot, but I have had critique on a few occasions suggesting that the inclusion of a person would help. Anyway this was just a bit of fun to see what comments it generated and at least I have managed to split the critique team. Also learnt a bit about straightening and got my cloning right this time.
Jestertheclown 9 7.6k 252 England
26 Jul 2010 10:35PM
I know that my mod completely defeats the original object of the excercise but I have to say that, if I'm honest, I don't like the original at all.
Apart from removing the reflection, I've increased the contrast and decreased the saturation quite dramatically.
It now needs some more sky at the top to balance it but I hope I've succeeded in bringing the focal point to the fore.
Hope you don't mind my saying this but I think it's better to be honest. Something that's sadly lacking in the main gallery unfortunately.

Philo 7 99 83 England
26 Jul 2010 10:47PM
Thanks Jester, I'm here to learn so honesty is what I need. It's turning into a bit of a marmite shot this!
I like the mod and it doesn't completely defeat the object as the boats are still framed by the bridge. Sky was too bright on the day so it would not have helped the shot on this occasion. I do think your mod looks a bit flatter but then I tend to have a preference for more punch.
paulbroad 10 123 1195 United Kingdom
26 Jul 2010 10:54PM
This ones got 'em going. I quite like it - just shows how subjective photography is. Technically OK, so the subject and composition are what matter. I find this well framed and interesting.

Jestertheclown 9 7.6k 252 England
26 Jul 2010 11:01PM
Hi Phil,
I think you're right about my mod being flatter, now I've looked again.
It may be that I've desaturated it too much (I did remove quite a lot) or it could be that by removing the reflected trees, I've removed a large blob of shiny colour.
Perhaps a kinder crop would have been to remove the reflected bridge but to leave the reflected trees where they are.
In fact, looking at that reflection, I now realise what I think is wrong with it. I hadn't really put my finger on the reason I don't care for it but it's those reflected trees. They're not visible in the top half of the shot 'cos they're behind the bridge!

I think I'll have another go at this!

Jestertheclown 9 7.6k 252 England
26 Jul 2010 11:20PM
I'm back!"
I've uploaded another mod, this time with those reflected trees that I don't like!
I've cropped both sides quite tightly to make it easier to clone the water and the reflections I've used to replace the reflection of the supports. In real life, I'd leave it slightly wider to let more of the brickwork form a frame but I'm in a hurry!
I've desaturated it again but this time more selectively. Although it still looks pretty green, I've actually removed quite a lot of green from it. I also desaturated the master a little, then increased the saturation in the reds and blues so they should be about as bright as they were to begin with.
It still looks a little flat compared to yours, so there's room for improvement yet but personally, I prefer this one as far as the composition is concerned.
I'm enjoying this!
banehawi Plus
13 1.7k 3771 Canada
27 Jul 2010 1:19AM
Jesters second mod is better I think Phil.

Philo 7 99 83 England
27 Jul 2010 6:44AM
Hi Jester, it's deifinitely better, so thanks for your persistence.
I have quite enjoyed all this and it has been really interesting watching it all unfold.
Good stuff everyone.
Philo 7 99 83 England
27 Jul 2010 12:09PM
Glad you like it Frank, to be honest I am quite surprised by the comments, I was half expecting it to get universally panned. Really glad I put it up though as it's generated some nice healthy debate.

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