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Man in Shelter

By iancrowson  
I entered this photo in a competion as a monochrome, non BW image. It was rejected and I was told it was BW. i thought is was a sepia finish. It is also processed to look something like an old film print.
The version is one of my BW captures. I actually prefer the BW but went for sepia to try and enter comp.
What do others think? Is it BW or sepia?

This is Southsea prom. it is an scene I have captured quite a few times on film and digitally.over the years. Whilst some will find it boring i did get a thing about these shelters seen in different moods and weather.

Tags: Sepia Bw Black and white Southsea Shelters

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ZenTony Plus
6 13 3 United Kingdom
21 Apr 2021 2:32PM
Compared to the version it definitely looks sepia.................but on its own.............maybe just not quite.
Very subjective.
cats_123 Plus
18 5.1k 30 Northern Ireland
21 Apr 2021 3:05PM
Definitely some toning, but just a matter of preference...what is BW anyway? There are do many variables.😁
banehawi Plus
18 2.8k 4323 Canada
21 Apr 2021 3:16PM
Depends on the rules of the competition I suppose. Its clearly sepia toned.
clevercloggs 18 251 15 Netherlands
21 Apr 2021 3:50PM
the lead image seems sepia coloured to me as well.

i do like the composition too...
although I would suggest that you allow for some definition at the back of the frame as now that is a big white out..(i can see it is the sky above the sea, but still)
that white does draw the attention away from the person in the shelter. I think the image works with regards to having a low horizon... it supports the composition.
In terms of composition I would suggest that you crop the top of the image somewhat to such an extent that there is no sky above the shelter closest to the viewer. You then get a nice 'swoop' from the top of the shelter to the bottom.
Maybe even crop the bottom of the frame too so that the 'swoop' disappears to outside the frame instead of in the pavement.
hope this helps?
saltireblue Plus
12 13.2k 83 Norway
21 Apr 2021 4:12PM
I agree with Tony's comment. Seen on its own, it is subtle sepia, but not so obvious as when compared to the version.
dudler Plus
19 1.9k 1954 England
21 Apr 2021 5:16PM
Willie has a point - it may depend on precisely how the rules defined not black and white. The image is clearly sepia toned: but it remains monochrome...

I think my best advice is that you win a few, and you lose a few.
clicknimagine Plus
12 1.0k 105 India
21 Apr 2021 5:17PM
You have a specific question whether it is sepia or B/ is truly more sepia than b/w but surely not colour...if you have entered the competition (non b/w), it is justified that they have rejected it saying it b/w...though the terms literally mean

Black and denotes only pure black and pure white tones...but generally it is used to include Monochrome images... denotes pure black and pure white and various tones in between... is also a form of single colour, single = 'mono' colour = 'chrome'...

But what grabs my attention here is the framing of the scene, superbly composed...

mrswoolybill Plus
15 3.4k 2548 United Kingdom
21 Apr 2021 7:01PM
My response to the judge would be that there is clearly no true black or true white in the main upload - so how can it be b&w? It would be interesting to hear his / her definition of the comp criteria.
I do like the composition a lot.
dark_lord Plus
18 3.0k 826 England
21 Apr 2021 7:48PM
It's well composed and processed.

They could have ignored it.
But by rejecting it the organisers have just highlighted the ambiguity of the rules (as, without further information that's how it appears).

Somnath has explained it well. I doubt you'll get a reason from the organisers and if they do they'll likely repeat the 'rule' you've mentioned above which helps no-one.
22 Apr 2021 7:34AM
My personal view is that I doubt whether any competition judge would consider this to be a monochromatic colour image. Based on the accepted usage of such terms in relation to photography, I suspect the consensus would be 100% that it's a toned b&w, sepia in this instance.
But where precisely is the line drawn between monochromatic colour and toned b&w? I certainly think the competition rules should have been made clearer.
dudler Plus
19 1.9k 1954 England
22 Apr 2021 8:41AM
Now, there's a thought, Alan.

If the competition was for, very specifically, monochromatic colour, then a coloured monochrome image wouldn't be to the specification. The exact wording matters, I think.

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