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Milan, Italy's modern tram service

By Dingus
Walking around Milan I saw this tram. I think it's time for an upgrade. It was in strong light with many shadows, but the location was fixed due to other constraints. Due to the age of the tram I did try mono, but didn't the result. Focus was on turbo.

Tags: Transport Italian Tram street transport

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banehawi Plus
16 2.2k 4138 Canada
17 Feb 2018 3:14PM
The weather look nice!

I like these old trams, and a brightly coloured one is a bonus.

I have to guess at what you mean by focus was on turbo; do you mean AI focus, or AI Servo focus? Or is the word Turbo in the image someplace?

Either way, apart from it being a pleasant holiday shot, the front of the tram is quite blurred, - presumably as it was moving, and likely shaking a bit for an old tram.

This is caused by a slow shutter speed, and the fact that you may have been quite close, - hard to tell how close you were.

For moving subjects this close, shutter speed priority would be best, and set it to 1/500th or faster. The very small aperture here, f/14 has everything in focus, but pushed the shutter speed way down, even at ISO 400.

Ive sharpened the front up quite a bit in the mod, but some areas are still quite soft. Tried a duo-toned mono that might work too. The image is a bit brighter overall.

Hope this helps



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Dingus 7 110 Scotland
17 Feb 2018 3:29PM
Thanks Willie.
Don't know why I typed Turbo, I meant Servo. DOH.
It was moving quite fast (for an old tram). This was one shot from high burst. Yes it was shaking a lot. If you ever need your fillings loosened.
Totally agree with the shutter speed. In this part of Milan, you don't display your camera, so mine was hidden in my jacket. I had to get it out of my jacket quickly to get this shot. It had been set for a previous shot at Av. I had hoped I'd got away with it. The focus on the front tow bar shows how far out it is.

dudler Plus
16 1.2k 1665 England
17 Feb 2018 5:19PM

Quite a cconundrum here. Everything apart from the tram is reasonably sharp: f/14 saw to that, i reckon.

I think that you might have been better to have aimed for fewer frames, and nailing a couple very thoroughly. If the subject is moving at speed, pan, or use a higher shutter speed (and if it's going very fast, both...)

And central to that is selecting the right aperture if you are in Aperture priority. I'm guessing that you'd got the setting from a previous shot - and didn't have time to adjust before you started shooting. I am trying to envisage a place where I'd take pictures, but would conceal my camera when I wasn't actually shooting: presumably, you left immediately after taking the picture, in case someone had seen yoru camera and decided to swoop in and take it?

The basic thing is to either take the time to think about the settings, or else to have such a deep and embedded knowledge of what you will need for any given situation that you make the adjustments without conscious thought. Either is an option, and each carries a cost - the former needs planning, the discipline to take time to do things, while the latter needs extensive and disciplined practice.

I looked back through your portfolio, and I think I've picked up that you work in air transport, so these ideas will be familiar to you.

I'm not clear whether your reference to needing an upgrade refers to the tram, or yoru camera. I'm not a Canon user, so I can't comment on the 7D - I would say, though, that the shot is perfectly doable with a camera lacking both AF and AE, so an upgrade of your technology isn't strictly necessary. (Though I admit to liking my own gear enough to upgrade because I want to, rather than because I can't get shots... One can always find reasons afterwards.)

Willie's sepia mod works well.
Dingus 7 110 Scotland
17 Feb 2018 6:20PM
Thanks for the input Dudler.
I would have tried for fewer frames had I had the chance, but as said the camera was set for a previous shot.
Didn't have the luxury of panning as I was almost in front of the tram, but if I had at least the background would have blurred a little. I had the camera resting against a pole to steady it. The front of the tram was probably around 4-5 feet from me and moving fast.

Your correct about moving on. Not wishing to be judgemental of people, but I had about 40-50 homeless guys near me. A person was attacked the week before and was tasered by them. Yes tasered.

Quote: I looked back through your portfolio, and I think I've picked up that you work in air transport, so these ideas will be familiar to you.

Due to the nature of what I do, I often need to plan ahead as the situation changes by the second. Very observant!!

The upgrade is definitely their trams. They seem and sound pre-war.
I don't need an upgrade as my gear is good enough, or better, for what I do.......... I know this 'cos my wife has told me in no uncertain terms. Sad
I use a Canon 7D. Way above what I need.

I too like Willie's Serpia. Especially as it makes the eye feel that the cars in the background seem older. As I said I did have a look at this, but I love the colour in this image. Willie also raised the colour, which I had already done for this jpg.
Dingus 7 110 Scotland
17 Feb 2018 6:32PM
Dudler. I was looking at your name an was thinking I'd spoken to you before, but couldn't remember why. All be it years ago.
Then I remembered.......... Fine Lines. You told me how you achieved it.
dudler Plus
16 1.2k 1665 England
18 Feb 2018 5:39AM
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