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Monarch of the Orme

By nicktg      
One of the feral Kashmir Goats on the Great Orme. the only problem was there was no colour in the sky , it was flat grey/white... any suggestions?

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Tooth 13 5.8k 227 Ireland
5 Jul 2011 1:00AM
I'm afraid if the actual sky is a flat grey/white, then there really isn't anything you can do to improve it apart from add a sky from somewhere else, and that depends on a) your level of competence, and b) your level of comfort in doing something like that.

The exposure is quite good on the goat, apart from a small streak of burnout on the back. You've done well to keep that part well exposed even at the expense of the sky. A plain grey sky wouldn't necessarily look any better than the white one.

presumably it was a pasing shot and not one you could go back and wait for the animal to re-appear, so you made the most of the circumstances. The animal is well posed, although it looks slightly soft, and the point of focus seems to be somewhere in the grass to me. Talking of the gras, there is rather a lot of it, and it's quite bland. i'd suggest a tighter crop to concentrate on the animal would be better.

Hope there's something of use there, just my honest thoughts


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ItsMeJustG 6 1 3 England
5 Jul 2011 4:04AM
I feel the same on the matter of the sky. You could edit one in as long as it looked natural.
This technique is sometimes overdone and with a totally unrealistic sky addition.

I too like the pose of the subject. Looking very commanding and rather majestic so good on you for the timing of the shot. A bit too much foreground for me. We can see it is a hill from the angle so I think you could safely lose a third of the grass. Maybe a square crop would work.
You can't always choose your skies and I have so many shots that I dump because of a flat, grey and boring background. You took the opportunity to capture a magnificent looking animal and that much of the shot is really good.
This is only my personal view, not meant as any offence. I hope you find it helpful.
nicktg 10 24 1 United Kingdom
5 Jul 2011 7:21PM
Thanks all,

I tried "manufacturing" a sky and it looked crap to meGrin but as I've said before, don't like doing a lot of processing on my shots although when I've seen versions uploaded I can see the improvement - I guess it's just meSmile

Frank &IMJG, I guess I could be there again but its about 150 miles away Grin I'll try the crop and see how that comes out.

Stephen, it was a passing shot literally, I passed it. pulled up at the side of the road and took the shot and drove off as it was a single track road !Grin

Thanks again all good stuff

nicktg 10 24 1 United Kingdom
5 Jul 2011 7:24PM
Cats, He wasn't lost trust me, there were about 6 females just below him ... I think he was pleased with the peace and quiet hence the scowl when I disturbed himGrin THanks for the version I can see what the others meant now. It does look better.

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