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Monochrome sunrise

By Obouvett
St Lawrence church, Birgu during Sunrise in black and white. A dual exposure shot merged to bring out clear detail in both the church and both.

Tags: Church Sunrise Boat Black and white Malta Landscape and travel Landscape black and white Birgu StLawrence Church Landscape and travel sunrise

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17 Apr 2021 9:17AM
HI OLIVER I SEE YOU MADE IT THROUGH TO E-PHOTOZINE!---------WELL DONE
Obouvett New Member Malta
17 Apr 2021 9:32AM

Quote:HI OLIVER I SEE YOU MADE IT THROUGH TO E-PHOTOZINE!---------WELL DONE


Thanks for your suggestion
KingArthur 14 8 Malta
17 Apr 2021 9:56AM
Lovely monochrome shot ..... another lad from Malta I notice, welcome to the fold

Joe Smile
mrswoolybill Plus
14 2.8k 2404 United Kingdom
17 Apr 2021 11:52AM
Hello Oliver, welcome to ePHOTOzine! I hope that you will enjoy it, and find it useful - it's a very friendly site, a good place to share and learn. And we have a number of Maltese members.

You ticked the critique button when you uploaded, I hope that was intended. It has the effect of disabling votes and awards but invites more in-depth commenting. When you ticked that box you will have received a pop-up message, and then a personal message from the site after uploading, explaining a bit about how we work here in the Critique Gallery. I'll quote a bit of the message:

Quote:Please let us know what advice you are looking for - eg on camera technique, composition, processing etc. Tell us about your intentions. If you have done any significant processing, say what you have done.

And most importantly - please engage with the Critique Team and other commenters. Reply to questions in the Comments section, let us know whether advice is helpful or not. You can nominate constructive/ helpful critique by clicking on the green nominate button next to the appropriate comment.

And feel free to ask questions! That's how the Critique Gallery works best.


We do need to hear more from you - what areas you would like advice on, how you feel about this - are you satisfied or are there aspects that you would change? And assuming that you did not shoot b&w in-camera, it would help to see the colour file as a modification. (Click on the blue Modifications button below your upload and follow the instructions). Basically the more you tell us, the more we can say...

My immediate thoughts before we hear more - it's excellent use of portrait format, which naturally draws the eye upwards (rather than horizontally, as happens with landscape format). The boat creates a strong lead-in, taking us from here to there. But I would want to get down a bit lower - this was taken at standing eye-level, I think; very often a more interesting, involving composition can be obtained by moving down lower. That would have given a stronger outline for the boat (more about the shape of the hull, less about the tarpaulin cover), less empty water in the middle of the frame, and space at the top to include the tops of those masts.

I hope that we shall hear more from you! Meanwhile, explore the site, there's a lot more here apart from the galleries.
Regards,
Moira
Obouvett New Member Malta
17 Apr 2021 1:26PM

Quote:Hello Oliver, welcome to ePHOTOzine! I hope that you will enjoy it, and find it useful - it's a very friendly site, a good place to share and learn. And we have a number of Maltese members.

You ticked the critique button when you uploaded, I hope that was intended. It has the effect of disabling votes and awards but invites more in-depth commenting. When you ticked that box you will have received a pop-up message, and then a personal message from the site after uploading, explaining a bit about how we work here in the Critique Gallery. I'll quote a bit of the message:

Quote:Please let us know what advice you are looking for - eg on camera technique, composition, processing etc. Tell us about your intentions. If you have done any significant processing, say what you have done.

And most importantly - please engage with the Critique Team and other commenters. Reply to questions in the Comments section, let us know whether advice is helpful or not. You can nominate constructive/ helpful critique by clicking on the green nominate button next to the appropriate comment.

And feel free to ask questions! That's how the Critique Gallery works best.


We do need to hear more from you - what areas you would like advice on, how you feel about this - are you satisfied or are there aspects that you would change? And assuming that you did not shoot b&w in-camera, it would help to see the colour file as a modification. (Click on the blue Modifications button below your upload and follow the instructions). Basically the more you tell us, the more we can say...

My immediate thoughts before we hear more - it's excellent use of portrait format, which naturally draws the eye upwards (rather than horizontally, as happens with landscape format). The boat creates a strong lead-in, taking us from here to there. But I would want to get down a bit lower - this was taken at standing eye-level, I think; very often a more interesting, involving composition can be obtained by moving down lower. That would have given a stronger outline for the boat (more about the shape of the hull, less about the tarpaulin cover), less empty water in the middle of the frame, and space at the top to include the tops of those masts.

I hope that we shall hear more from you! Meanwhile, explore the site, there's a lot more here apart from the galleries.
Regards,
Moira



I wasn't aware that it disables awards and votes not that I think highly of my work, I know that I am a beginner and having never entered any competitions this website might be a good start I think. thanks for highlighting that aspect.
pamelajean Plus
15 1.5k 2214 United Kingdom
17 Apr 2021 2:39PM
Did you want this picture to be in the Critique Gallery, Oliver?
Obouvett New Member Malta
17 Apr 2021 3:30PM
I intended to yes
dark_lord Plus
17 2.8k 768 England
17 Apr 2021 5:59PM
Welcome from me Oliver.

This is a nice scene, well composed with strong foreground interest.

It doesn't, however, say sunrise to me. It doesn't have to of course, as there's attracive light on the water and a good sky, as you'd get early morning. So it would be interesting to know why you chose mono over colour. Don't get me wrong, mono works with the pattrns and shapes. But your title hints at more.
Obouvett New Member Malta
18 Apr 2021 6:58AM

Quote:Welcome from me Oliver.

This is a nice scene, well composed with strong foreground interest.

It doesn't, however, say sunrise to me. It doesn't have to of course, as there's attracive light on the water and a good sky, as you'd get early morning. So it would be interesting to know why you chose mono over colour. Don't get me wrong, mono works with the pattrns and shapes. But your title hints at more.


First thanks for your comment, I choose black and white as the colours were not that Beautiful and currently I am working on learning to edit black and whites better also with less hassle to calculate for the colours to come out good, I focused on bringing the light out better and all that goes with it. Still thanks for the comment again.
mrswoolybill Plus
14 2.8k 2404 United Kingdom
18 Apr 2021 7:47AM
Oliver, thanks for getting back to us, we still don't really know what areas you are looking for advice here, but maybe we can narrow it down to colour processing, and b&w conversion?

It would help to know what software you are using. Can I suggest that you upload the colour file for this one, we can maybe make suggestions on both matters.

The more you tell us, the more questions you ask, the better we can tailor advice to your needs. Otherwise we are working in the dark, trying to guess what you are looking for...
Moira
pamelajean Plus
15 1.5k 2214 United Kingdom
18 Apr 2021 2:54PM
Thank you for communicating with us, Oliver.
Welcome to EPZ and its Critique Gallery.

Did you take any pictures of the water, boats along the shore, and buildings? I can't help feeling that would make a better photo, and in landscape format. The large uninteresting boat in the foreground is acting as a barrier to the viewer entering into the scene, and its cover isn't very attractive either. What IS attractive is the sky, the buildings and the water. I, too, would be interested in seeing the colour original.

Those little buoys will help to break up the foreground water, but if you wanted to leave the foreground boat in the scene, I would suggest offsetting it, moving it over to one side in your frame, allowing entry to the viewer.

Pamela.

pablophotographer 9 1.9k 405
20 Apr 2021 12:42PM
Hi Oliver, welcome aboard.

Not all mornings start with sunshine even in Malta! I think you have done a good job merging two exposures, I guess you have used a tripod for this.

I notice you have composed this carefully and centrally and I can't find wrong in wanting to include everything there from the metal ring fixture that holds the foreground boat till the bell tower of the church. Sometimes though, not everything has to be presented to be understood, something can be omitted, entirely or partially.

Hence the options to crop and frame (in the first place) are several. Being unattached to the place and the moment itself I can suggest you can crop from the bottom and even the top of the frame itself. Our eyes in a frame are drawn on the brightest and/or the most contrast spot. You might want to avoid having the brightest areas on the edges of your frame as they lure your attention away from the subject itself. Here, if I was arbitrarily saying that your themes (or subjects) are architecture, sea and boats, I would crop not only the top bright spot from the sky but even the one lower than that, and probably half of the boat in the foreground. The picture would still show buildings, boats and sea and the differences in the amount of light variation would be far less, making possible to shoot just one frame rather than needing to have two frames merged.
But since the frame is such I suppose you could set the camera in Av mode (set as f/11) and bracket three frames, the original and two more with +1, and -1 EV.

One other thing to consider is the point of view, meaning you not always have to have the camera at eye level, you can shoot from waist level or even lower than that depending on your subject. Here I know that the lens was tilt a bit down to contain the ring that secured the rope and the boat but I can't tell how high was the camera from the ground. Overall, it is a nice picture to take home before you go home for lunch. Would it look more interesting in colour? Yes if one is a tourist and probably no if one is a local who sees the beauty of Malta in colour every day.

pablophotographer

Obouvett New Member Malta
20 Apr 2021 12:59PM

Quote:Hi Oliver, welcome aboard.

Not all mornings start with sunshine even in Malta! I think you have done a good job merging two exposures, I guess you have used a tripod for this.

I notice you have composed this carefully and centrally and I can't find wrong in wanting to include everything there from the metal ring fixture that holds the foreground boat till the bell tower of the church. Sometimes though, not everything has to be presented to be understood, something can be omitted, entirely or partially.

Hence the options to crop and frame (in the first place) are several. Being unattached to the place and the moment itself I can suggest you can crop from the bottom and even the top of the frame itself. Our eyes in a frame are drawn on the brightest and/or the most contrast spot. You might want to avoid having the brightest areas on the edges of your frame as they lure your attention away from the subject itself. Here, if I was arbitrarily saying that your themes (or subjects) are architecture, sea and boats, I would crop not only the top bright spot from the sky but even the one lower than that, and probably half of the boat in the foreground. The picture would still show buildings, boats and sea and the differences in the amount of light variation would be far less, making possible to shoot just one frame rather than needing to have two frames merged.
But since the frame is such I suppose you could set the camera in Av mode (set as f/11) and bracket three frames, the original and two more with +1, and -1 EV.

One other thing to consider is the point of view, meaning you not always have to have the camera at eye level, you can shoot from waist level or even lower than that depending on your subject. Here I know that the lens was tilt a bit down to contain the ring that secured the rope and the boat but I can't tell how high was the camera from the ground. Overall, it is a nice picture to take home before you go home for lunch. Would it look more interesting in colour? Yes if one is a tourist and probably no if one is a local who sees the beauty of Malta in colour every day.

pablophotographer




I will be posting the colour version also. I did the same as you said when you told me to bracket but I use manual mode and two exposures to get it exposed good and focused al the way. the colour version will be online soon
Hi Oliver - welcome aboard - Not that I am any expert, to me I agree with both Pamela and Pablophotographer. Besides, the sky behind the church/buildings looks a bit weak. Nevertheless, there is a lot of good about it too. You will find a great set of people ready to help out (as is done with me) and boost up the learning curve to this fabulous & fascinating hobby. Most of all, it is great fun !

Herbert

ps. I really popped to say hi to a fellow national def am not qualified to critique so it just my simple point of view
pablophotographer 9 1.9k 405
20 Apr 2021 9:32PM
Hi Oliver. Ev to my understanding does not change anything in Manual mode. If you want to change the colours and exposure while using Manual mode, without changing the Aperture or the Shutter speed, change the ISO value, use one higher one lower than the one your lightmeter suggests. I am don't know if your Canon offers ISO50 or ISO80 or if the lowest ISO value is ISO100.
pablophotographer

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