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MULTIPLE DISASTER

By Tish1    
First and foremost, I am overwhlemed at your response to my previous upload 'Beam Me Up Scotty'. Thank you all so much! Additional thanks to Cliff [Nikonuser1] and Ivor [Capto] for their wonderful mods.

Speacial thanks to Mark[tc], Richard [DicksPics], Paul [Skeet1Away], Tricia [Redshot], Peter [ddolfelin] and not least Ivor [Capto] for bestowing their User Awards................. I'm really chuffed!

Back to my photography class, where we were doing [supposedly] Multiple Exposures, something I've wanted to do for a while. My partner in crime, Paul, unfortunately did not have such a function on his camera, however, Julia a fellow student has the next model of camera up to Paul, had a fantastic multiple exposusure function on hers; I think it is a Lumix, not sure of the model. She was able to take one exposure and then through the LCD screen see that exposure and the forthcoming exposure, thus allowing her to align images perfectly and she did a fantastic job with her partner in crime, Jane.

Paul and I were not so successful; wrongly we assumed that just because we had the function available to us it would be a matter of point and click, boy were we wrong.

Eventually we figured out that it must have something to do with exposure differentiation re each frame. Hence the more dominate exposure is the longest exposure, we think.

Assuming this to be true, we were still struggling to get a decent image; therefore, we, I, me, would appreciate any help on this genre of photography; the best approach etc etc etc.

The conditions were not ideal and we did the best we could, in between wetting our selves laughing.

V1 has been put through PS to give an idea of what would were eventually hoping to achieve i.e. a super imposed image, all other variants have not been touched.

Why not just take a series of images and process them in PS I hear you ask, because our tutor said we had to do it in camera. Hence, it is in camera skills that we are currently learning, in theory at least.

Anyway, I really do need your help in this instant, so please bring in all the weight of your experience and expertise.

Tish

Tags: Help General Multiple exposures Portraits and people Humour and fun

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Fefe Plus
8 33 31 United Kingdom
30 Apr 2015 2:20PM
Well now...I am so early at the party the rest of the guests are not yet hereTongueGrinGrinGrinDiane

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Fefe Plus
8 33 31 United Kingdom
30 Apr 2015 2:23PM
Sorry Tish, I cant help, I recently discovered this setting on my camera......I thought OOOO aye up whats occuring here then? Not looked again....yetWink
It will be interesting for me to come back and look laterSmile
Diane
Tish1 Plus
7 32 5 United Kingdom
30 Apr 2015 2:24PM

Quote:Sorry Tish, I cant help, I recently discovered this setting on my camera......I thought OOOO aye up whats occuring here then? Not looked again....yetWink
It will be interesting for me to come back and look laterSmile
Diane



That's it Diane, you let me do all the hard work GrinGrinGrinTongue


Tish
TanyaH Plus
16 1.3k 398 United Kingdom
30 Apr 2015 2:47PM
I'm afraid I can't help here either, Tish ... I've done multiple exposures on a manual camera, but never on a digital one. I wouldn't even know where to start, to be fair! Sad
However, I did find this on't Net, which may be of some help?

Tanya
danbrann 15 640 17
30 Apr 2015 2:52PM
You will get it right eventually....You usually do.
morpheus1955 13 3 2 United Kingdom
30 Apr 2015 3:03PM
I have no idea how to do multiple exposure images, I have no doubt you will get there eventually Smile

Hugh
Nikonuser1 Plus
7 161 16 United Kingdom
30 Apr 2015 3:07PM
Sorry Tish I have not done this only with filmGrinGrin

Cliff
Tish1 Plus
7 32 5 United Kingdom
30 Apr 2015 3:08PM

Quote:I'm afraid I can't help here either, Tish ... I've done multiple exposures on a manual camera, but never on a digital one. I wouldn't even know where to start, to be fair! Sad
However, I did find this on't Net, which may be of some help?

Tanya



That's an interesting concept Tanya, I will be reviewing my menu now, since it fits in with the remit of 'In Camera'. Thank you very much


Tish
barbarahirst 11 27 12 United Kingdom
30 Apr 2015 3:18PM
kinda speechless here.....
will come back and see what gets written.....
Tish1 Plus
7 32 5 United Kingdom
30 Apr 2015 3:25PM

Quote:Kinda speechless here.....
will come back and see what gets written.....




.............. and you think you've got problems with Mike Shadow GrinGrinGrinGrin


Tish
LynneJoyce Plus
11 22 101 United Kingdom
30 Apr 2015 4:29PM
Never knew such a facility existed, but it has given some fun results here.
TrevBatWCC Plus
11 13 14 England
30 Apr 2015 4:42PM
A great effort here Tish - she looks very spooky on V1! I can remember being able to do multiple exposures on film cameras, and seem to recall one I had was capable of this, but not heard of doing on a digital camera! Wink
Trev Smile
cats_123 Plus
16 4.9k 29 Northern Ireland
30 Apr 2015 4:45PM
keep taking the spirits GrinGrinGrin
30 Apr 2015 5:11PM
A great, fun set, Tish - can't help with the multiple exposure malarkey, sorry!
I do like the effect you've created in V3.Smile
The person in V4 does not look well at all!!Tongue

RichardSmileSmileSmile
Tish1 Plus
7 32 5 United Kingdom
30 Apr 2015 5:32PM

Quote:A great, fun set, Tish - can't help with the multiple exposure malarkey, sorry!
I do like the effect you've created in V3.Smile
The person in V4 does not look well at all!!Tongue

RichardSmileSmileSmile



That's me in V4 after my week of dieting Grin V1 is me before my week of dieting Sad [Paul took V1]


Tish
banehawi Plus
15 2.2k 4083 Canada
30 Apr 2015 6:18PM
I want to confirm the objective first.

Is it to superimpose an image of a person on top of the skull? So two exposures, one frame?

W
30 Apr 2015 6:45PM
I could only do a double exposure with film camera, Love what you have managed though in view one.

Patty
banehawi Plus
15 2.2k 4083 Canada
30 Apr 2015 7:13PM
You can check this link HERE for more info on the Nikon set up.

You seem to have the alignment of the subject and the skull about right in V1, but you need to limit the exposures to 2, which you can do.

Tanyas link shows some ways to align shots from another Nikon model, - this may work with yours too. Tripod used I assume.
Tish1 Plus
7 32 5 United Kingdom
30 Apr 2015 7:21PM

Quote:I want to confirm the objective first.

Is it to superimpose an image of a person on top of the skull? So two exposures, one frame?

W



Our objective was 3 exposures as in V3, but also any variation since we were struggling to achieve objective untill V3, which was the best we managed along with V1 before I messed with it; V1 has been cropped, there is another me somewhere at the bottom. One image I had in mind was 3 exposures of Paul, obviously the front image more prominent then another image of him stoof further back which would possibly, or possibly not be a lighter exposure etc.

My camera can do upto 10 exposures, which offers a lot of potential, if you have the imagination; the skull only came in because we were getting frustrated at our failures so we decided to see if we could do a spooky version of the skull superimposed. We sort of did, but it wasn't lined up very well, we also tried blocking half the image and vice versa, that was our worst attempt.

Does that answer the question?

Tish
Tish1 Plus
7 32 5 United Kingdom
30 Apr 2015 7:22PM

Quote:You can check this link HERE for more info on the Nikon set up.

You seem to have the alignment of the subject and the skull about right in V1, but you need to limit the exposures to 2, which you can do.

Tanyas link shows some ways to align shots from another Nikon model, - this may work with yours too. Tripod used I assume.



Tripod and remote used
banehawi Plus
15 2.2k 4083 Canada
30 Apr 2015 7:48PM
OK, three exposures. You know how to do it, so was there anything else to shoot other than students and the stiff?

Did you check Tanyas link t see how you can align images?
banehawi Plus
15 2.2k 4083 Canada
30 Apr 2015 8:08PM
The real objective of this lesson Tish is to get you to find your way around the camera.
Tish1 Plus
7 32 5 United Kingdom
30 Apr 2015 8:13PM

Quote:OK, three exposures. You know how to do it, so was there anything else to shoot other than students and the stiff?

Did you check Tanyas link t see how you can align images?



I have looked at the link Tanya supplied, but I haven't checked my menu yet. Was there anything else to shoot? Yeah, we could have shot the tutor, literally............ basically no, which is why Paul and I nicked Old Bones. I strongly suspect that it is much easier to do with inanimate objects.

Am I correct in the assumption that the longer the exposure per frame, the more prominent that exposure will be? If so, then equalising the exposure for all frames should give a balanced finished result. With animate objects it is [so far] difficult to line them up [if required] and difficult to determine the exposure length if you want a faded effect, although a lesser exposure length would inevitably give a reduced exposure.

So, bascially, is there [and I haven't looked at your link yet] a means of lining up subjects as required?

Tish
banehawi Plus
15 2.2k 4083 Canada
30 Apr 2015 8:28PM
Assumption is correct, however check that Nikon link, - they are very fussy about Gain control with multiple exposures, - which I think is a way to balance the three.
Tish1 Plus
7 32 5 United Kingdom
30 Apr 2015 8:33PM

Quote:The real objective of this lesson Tish is to get you to find your way around the camera.


From the link I have spotted a number of errors that we managed without any effort at all; the one that really shouted at me was 'Auto Gain', strangely enough, Julia asked me if I knew what it was and I didn't so, we both decided to keep it at 'Off'.

The other one was 'Series', assumed that to be the correct setting because we were shooting a series of shots, in fact should have set to 'Single'.

Julias' camera illustrates the last [and previously combined] shot and the shot that is about to be taken through the LCD, a great feature for this type of photography. When I attempted to do the same i.e. switch on live view, it automatically turned off the multiple exposure function.

However, it may be interesting to see if the same happens if I set the ME to Single shot. I also note that the illustration is in Program mode, perhaps this is the better mode to work in for this type of photography.

Yes, I do believe you are correct that one of the objectives that our tutor is trying to achieve is to get us to know our cameras better and then employ the new functions for more creative and inventive photography, which is not currently happening. One of the problems he is constantly coming across is that many of the students do not know how to even access their cameras menu............. He use to have a full head of hair before he started teaching us.

He has just been been nominated for two Eisner awards for his contribution to TO END ALL WARS, which is quite impressive.

Tish
paulbroad 12 131 1288 United Kingdom
30 Apr 2015 9:07PM
What a lot of comment. A great pity other images don't generate similar!

I'm at a loss, I fear. What is the actual intent? They oook like a series of errors. A bit strong, I kniw, but for multiple exposures you need a format and a plan to assembke a compositionally interesting image. You need to balance exposures between each frame or use black backgrounds to arrive at a final correct exposure.

However, experimentation must be applauded and you are certainly doing that.

Paul
Tish1 Plus
7 32 5 United Kingdom
30 Apr 2015 9:40PM

Quote:What a lot of comment. A great pity other images don't generate similar!

I'm at a loss, I fear. What is the actual intent? They oook like a series of errors. A bit strong, I kniw, but for multiple exposures you need a format and a plan to assembke a compositionally interesting image. You need to balance exposures between each frame or use black backgrounds to arrive at a final correct exposure.

However, experimentation must be applauded and you are certainly doing that.

Paul



I clearly stated that it was a series of errors, so your comment was not a bit strong at all, it was fact. Unfortunately, not everyone has 50 years experience in the photography industry and as such we ask for help in the critique section, so that we can increase our knowledge and techniques and hopefully improve the final product.

Your comment relating to the need of format and plan is very helpful, and of course your comment about use of black backgrounds. Those of us who have not previously stretched ourselves in this area do not know that, but thanks to you, we do now, and that's what it is about.

Your contribution is very much appreciated.

Tish
dark_lord Plus
15 2.4k 620 England
30 Apr 2015 10:24PM
It's fine if the objective is to get people top know their camera's settings and menus, especially those who don't realise what they've got and those who ar 'scared' to venture away from the norm.
However, for those without multiple exposure settings, and even for those that have (I did experiment with it in the film days) combining images in software offers infinitley more control albeit a longer process.
Tish1 Plus
7 32 5 United Kingdom
30 Apr 2015 10:46PM

Quote:It's fine if the objective is to get people top know their camera's settings and menus, especially those who don't realise what they've got and those who ar 'scared' to venture away from the norm.
However, for those without multiple exposure settings, and even for those that have (I did experiment with it in the film days) combining images in software offers infinitley more control albeit a longer process.



I couldn't agree more, however, it is a good excercise in creativity and because it teaches much more than what is on the menu.


Tish
Tish1 Plus
7 32 5 United Kingdom
1 May 2015 12:25AM
For others interested in trying multiple exposures in camera, I found this YouTube video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lcu8SdcsYnY


Tish
dudler Plus
16 1.0k 1573 England
1 May 2015 7:13AM
I think this may be one of those cases where it is actually far easier on film...

There, you just need to underexpose each frame by a stop (so the combined exposure of two frames is right), and sort the alignment out...

The problem with digital is that the camera may automate some parts of the process, and you won't know which until you try (and may not, even then!) You really need to find someone with the same model camera, who has tried it (and maybe there'll be someone on here...)

On exposure - if you don't expose each version equally, then one will be lighter than the other - which will make it dominant, in most cases, as you suspect. And for it to work easily, you need a black background, otherwise the background will be dominant...

One way to do multiple exposures in camera is to use a bulb shutter setting, a tripod, and use a flash multiple times, as I did at a group shoot a few weeks back... Even with a black Colorama roll, though, I got some light spill...
Tish1 Plus
7 32 5 United Kingdom
1 May 2015 8:50AM

Quote:I think this may be one of those cases where it is actually far easier on film...

There, you just need to underexpose each frame by a stop (so the combined exposure of two frames is right), and sort the alignment out...

The problem with digital is that the camera may automate some parts of the process, and you won't know which until you try (and may not, even then!) You really need to find someone with the same model camera, who has tried it (and maybe there'll be someone on here...)

On exposure - if you don't expose each version equally, then one will be lighter than the other - which will make it dominant, in most cases, as you suspect. And for it to work easily, you need a black background, otherwise the background will be dominant...

One way to do multiple exposures in camera is to use a bulb shutter setting, a tripod, and use a flash multiple times, as I did at a group shoot a few weeks back... Even with a black Colorama roll, though, I got some light spill...



First and foremost, light spill or not, if I had taken that image, I would have been shouting about the success, it is a great example of what we were supposedly trying to achieve, so thank you for that.

The bulb shutter setting would never have occured to me, or a flash for that matter. Sor far, I think this is what I have gained from the comments here and am nervous about putting them into practice:

1 Use Auto Gain [now that I have an idea of what it is]
2 Set to single shot not series
3 Use a black background
4 Use the bulb setting, which of course means using manual mode
5 Bulb is possibly not the only way to achieve this and therefore other modes can be used, will be interesting to compare results
6 Buy a film camera, no, don't take the easiest root.

Thank you John


Tish
Fefe Plus
8 33 31 United Kingdom
1 May 2015 10:14AM
Flippin eck Tish......came back to have a readGrin
I havent got the week off you knowWink..........will come back againTongue
Diane
Chinga Plus
9 3 1 United Kingdom
1 May 2015 4:58PM
Wonderful idea and creation... Each image a work or art in it's own right ... I like it! Grin
IB
PaulMillar 8 83 2 Scotland
1 May 2015 10:48PM
Tish, thats creepy..................love the idea.


Paul.
gajewski 15 10 9 United States
11 May 2015 5:55PM
Sorry to be getting to this post so late. However, I have little to offer beyond nostalgia. I remember experimenting with this in the way distant past -- with film cameras. I could set my camera to not advance the film after a shot was taken so that the next shot was on the same frame. Of course, now I just do all that in PS.
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