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By JustJack2004
Looking for critique please! not sure what i should have done with the land to make it work with the sky without ruining the look of the sky. may not have been best position for a photo however camera was running flat so just a last minute photo whilst the amazing colour lasted in the clouds. Thanks for any advice! No programs used for editing on this one either, plan to get one soon but dont have one right now.

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dudler Plus
16 949 1521 England
11 Feb 2019 9:49AM
I think you've done just the right thing with the land, Jack. A fringe to give context to the sky.

And I find skies irresistible, too, so I'd have taken the same picture, I hope!

The one possible problem is that there's not really a subject other than the colour, and that tends to mean that a picture won't be a competition-winner, though it would make a wonderful poster print for your wall.

There's a free editing program called Gimp2 available: it's entirely legal shareware, and pretty powerful, though a bit clunky compared with Elements (often a good starter choice, and that oculd last you a lifetime).

I shall have a play with the image and see if I can find and enhance a structure in the clouds so that there's more obvious composition involved.

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JustJack2004 Junior Member
11 Feb 2019 10:38AM

Quote:I think you've done just the right thing with the land, Jack. A fringe to give context to the sky.

And I find skies irresistible, too, so I'd have taken the same picture, I hope!

The one possible problem is that there's not really a subject other than the colour, and that tends to mean that a picture won't be a competition-winner, though it would make a wonderful poster print for your wall.

There's a free editing program called Gimp2 available: it's entirely legal shareware, and pretty powerful, though a bit clunky compared with Elements (often a good starter choice, and that oculd last you a lifetime).

I shall have a play with the image and see if I can find and enhance a structure in the clouds so that there's more obvious composition involved.


not sure if quoting is how im meant to reply, still new to the site haha. Thanks for the feedback, the modification looked great! ill be sure to check out that program for future photos, would be a good money saving option. Thanks!
dudler Plus
16 949 1521 England
11 Feb 2019 11:10AM
A lot of people quote comments in full - it's helpful when there are enough comments for confusion, but I don't see a particular need otherwise.

Don't fret about it - EPZ is a place where there are choices and options, and we don't expect everyone to be the same, act the same, or take the same pictures. So long as people are polite and love pictures, they're welcome here, I reckon!

Smile
banehawi Plus
15 2.1k 4036 Canada
11 Feb 2019 1:13PM
Leaving the land as it is works ok as it dark and in silhouette.

Reducing exposure will usually give you a deeper coloured sky, - and I notice youve used a manual white balance, - which had some effect, - not knowing what you set it to I cant tell if its better than an auto white balance. To reduce exposure in P mode, use the Exposure Correction button, and set it to a minus value, say -1.

Similar to what John (dudler) has done, Ive uploaded a pair of images, the first looked very watery when I uploaded it, so I uploaded a second wit more contrast.

One trick Ive used, that you can do with editing software, is to make the sky area less tall, without cropping, so its "squashed" down to some extent, suggesting a wider lens.

There are free editors, like Gimp, - just do a Google search; Photoshop in many variants; and becoming very popular sine Photoshop started a subscription only service is Affinity Photo, which is very good and not terribly expensive. You can download a fully functioning free trail of it.


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paulbroad Plus
12 131 1285 United Kingdom
11 Feb 2019 1:57PM
For me, this is a stock image. The sky would look superb at the time of taking but has no form or composition in its own right and there is nothing else there to add that requirement. You need a foreground. Very few sky only shots stand on their own unless extremely spectacular.


I shoot such skies, but keep them in a folder called, 'stock' and use them later to add to other images with a good foreground but poor sky. That is here mastering software comes in.


paul
pamelajean Plus
13 1.2k 2094 United Kingdom
11 Feb 2019 6:32PM

Quote:not sure if quoting is how I'm meant to reply, still new to the site

Firstly, Jack, it would have been nice to have some comment from you on your last upload, just to set up some communication, and to help critiquers to know if they are pitching their critique correctly.
Now I see that you were unsure of how to reply.
Yes, just reply in the comments boxes here.

I notice that there is the same picture appearing in your portfolio, but with more land area at the bottom, so you have cropped this one and it now only has a very small land area.
However, I don't think that makes a lot of difference because I agree with Paul in that this needs a focal point, something on which to settle the eye, and this nondescript land area doesn't provide that. It's better than having no land area at all, but ideally a sunset needs something to give it impact. Very often, the colourful sky alone isn't enough.

So, choose yourself a place where the sunset is usually visible and good, then find something to use as a foreground silhouette, something significant, something with a strong shape that is easily recognisable, and include it in your next sunset shot. It can be large or small, but not too small.
You indicate that this was a grab shot, and sometimes they can turn out fine, but it痴 often the case that the best sunset shots come out of planning.

Even though it's a little clich馘, silhouettes do work well at sunset, and when you shoot an object against a bright sunset sky, it will inevitably become a silhouette. That can be a tree, a pier, a bench, a fence, or even a person, and possibly together with some background feature such as a mountain or bit of a cliff.
Be on the lookout for an ideal setting.

Pamela.
Niknut Plus
9 2.3k 78 United Kingdom
11 Feb 2019 9:22PM
Beautiful sky !!!.....gorgeous colours !.Smile

A couple of free imaging programmes are Paint.net & Gimp....try 'em !

I've added my mod. (No.4) to show what can be done ??WinkWinkGrinGrin
dark_lord Plus
15 2.3k 591 England
11 Feb 2019 11:11PM
It's difficult to resist a sky like that. They don't come as good as that too often. So even if you haven't got foreground interest I'd still take the shot, and do something like Niknut has done.

On a bleak day with a pure white sky, take a picture of some trees, or a row of buildings, or a group of your friend, and let them go into silhouette.
You can blend the two images together later, maybe a few years later!
I said silhouette because that'll make the blending much easier, and they'd be in silhoette against this sort of sky anyway.
JustJack2004 Junior Member
12 Feb 2019 6:25AM

Quote:
So, choose yourself a place where the sunset is usually visible and good, then find something to use as a foreground silhouette, something significant, something with a strong shape that is easily recognisable, and include it in your next sunset shot. It can be large or small, but not too small.


Thanks for the advice! I値l ensure to plan my shots more in the future and think about what subjects I can put in the foreground for shots like this. Hopefully I get to go out soon and try some more and see the difference!

Quote:I shoot such skies, but keep them in a folder called, 'stock' and use them later to add to other images with a good foreground but poor sky.

I値l make sure to try out all these techniques on some programs too! Thanks for the advice.
JustJack2004 Junior Member
12 Feb 2019 6:28AM

Quote:Reducing exposure will usually give you a deeper coloured sky, - and I notice youve used a manual white balance, - which had some effect, - not knowing what you set it to I cant tell if its better than an auto white balance. To reduce exposure in P mode, use the Exposure Correction button, and set it to a minus value, say -1

I知 looking at exploring all these things in my camera so thanks for the tip, I see what you mean in your modifications I値l have to try out all these, thanks!
DJLeroy 10 23 1 United Kingdom
17 Feb 2019 9:42PM
Stunning, amazing sky & you certainly were in the "Right place, the right time" to capture it.

If your main focus was the sky, then having a hint of a landscape, gives it meaning & focus. And on a plus side, if you get into composites in Photoshop lets say, having just a hint of a landscape, is great for lining up on your new shot. Wink Wink

I know you've said you don't have any software yet & you've had some wonderful alternatives so for (bravo to the other photographers). I've also added mine into the mix. As you've stated, the image looks a little flat, but other than that, I really can't see anything wrong with it. Using Photoshop RAW editor, I've given you the settings I used to lift you image, so should you like my edit & you get Photoshop or a similar software, you'll have an idea of what I did.

Increased the Exposure by 1/2 a stop.
Increased the Contrast by 25%
Reduced the Shadows by 30%
Increased the Whites by 20%
Reduced the Blacks by 20%
Increased the Clarity by 10%
Increased the Vibrance by 25%
Increased the Saturation by 4%
Increased the Dehaze by 25%

The image really doesn't need much to lift it. But hope this helps Smile

Dan
JustJack2004 Junior Member
18 Feb 2019 8:09AM

Quote:Using Photoshop RAW editor, I've given you the settings I used to lift you image, so should you like my edit & you get Photoshop or a similar software, you'll have an idea of what I did.

I plan on getting the Adobe photoshop subscription straight after my next set oh photos and learning all about it to make the most of the subcription so these settings and adjustements will come in really helpful, thanks!
dudler Plus
16 949 1521 England
19 Feb 2019 11:45AM
The subscription is quite expensive: if you want value, you may well find Elements offers you all you need for way under 」100 for outright purchase.
JustJack2004 Junior Member
20 Feb 2019 3:56AM

Quote:you may well find Elements offers you all you need for way under 」100 for outright purchase.
ill look into this as an alternative, thanks.

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