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Over we go

By Bigpoolman
A photo from an enjoyable day out at Cartmel races.

Edited for the usual highlights, shadows etc in LR and sharpened in PS.

Comments appreciated.

Tim

Tags: Summer Racing Cartmel Sports and action 2017

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cats_123 Plus
17 5.1k 30 Northern Ireland
24 Aug 2017 7:54AM
Great action Smile
Robert51 12 7 122 United Kingdom
24 Aug 2017 8:26AM
Excellent image all round. Maybe would have had a slight bit more space at the top but that's nit picking.
mrswoolybill Plus
14 2.8k 2408 United Kingdom
24 Aug 2017 8:27AM
Technically this is excellent, and you had a good viewpoint. For me it's rather cramped, I would like to see a bit more space. Particularly at the top and on the right. The leading jockey seems to be about to bump his head on the top of the frame, the background rider in green and yellow is trying to elbow the side of the frame out of the way.

I'm just wondering if you have cropped this down from a larger image - if so could we see this please? Otherwise, my only suggestion would be not to zoom in so close.
Moira
paulbroad 13 131 1293 United Kingdom
24 Aug 2017 8:37AM
And I would crop tighter! I would take off the building on the left, but otherwise, excellent image. For me, tight framing with sport events adds to impact and impact is what such shots are all about. Here, you are going to add external distracting features with a wider view.

It's the old 'fill the frame' rule.

paul[/i]
mrswoolybill Plus
14 2.8k 2408 United Kingdom
24 Aug 2017 9:30AM
I can see the need for a snug fit on the right, to avoid slicing a rider in half. I've uploaded a portrait format crop, which works for me - with just a few pixels added at the top.
24 Aug 2017 12:21PM
Morning all uncropped version added as a mod

thanks

Tim
banehawi Plus
16 2.5k 4240 Canada
24 Aug 2017 1:31PM
As in the cricket shot, I think including more of the environment is not a bad thing.

You clearly could have shot in a portrait aspect and isolated a single rider, but you chose to do a wide shot to show the race, which I like.

In all you shots, you are leaving the cameras AWB as shot, which is a pity really, as it can produce a flatter, blue toned image in bright daylight. This is one of the major advantages of shooting in RAW, correcting white balance (this shows you shot this image in JPEG?).

Mod uploaded that less blue toned, filled in a little of the open shy spaces at the top, and cloned out that white fence on the left, and the bit bottom right.

Excellent detail in this overall.


Regards


Willie
djh698 17 6.3k 6 United Kingdom
24 Aug 2017 2:30PM
Superb action shot with a lot of detail. Wish I was there
mrswoolybill Plus
14 2.8k 2408 United Kingdom
24 Aug 2017 6:45PM
Thanks for adding the original, Willie's mod is what I would want to do. That bit more space for a more expansive feel, and a sense of the surroundings.
pamelajean Plus
15 1.5k 2218 United Kingdom
24 Aug 2017 7:34PM
I agree with the comments about space, but have to say that this is very good, Tim.
I like the fact that you have two horses in the front, jumping almost at the same time, then other horses if full view at the back.
Also most of the riders’ faces are in full view, showing their expressions and determination.
Such great timing.

Pamela.
24 Aug 2017 9:01PM
Thank you all. I would be really interested in your views on my latest attempt to butcher the image in PS.
I have recropped it, warmed it somewhat, cloned out the building thingy on the left, the rider on the right and resharpened it.

I don't go to horse racing very often but really like the way that you are allowed to take photos unlike so many sporting events. At Cartmell you can get quite close in places as well.

I always shoot in raw so the AWB isn't a problem when I use it , other than that I usually forget to change it! Landscapes I usually have it set to cloudy, just habit I suppose.

Cheers

Tim

dark_lord Plus
17 2.8k 769 England
24 Aug 2017 10:05PM
A super image Tim.
If this was in the main gallery I would have voted for it. There's not much sports photography of any kind on this site, which is a pity, and it doesn't get much recognition to boot. So it would be good to see more!

You have the two leading riders sharp, neck and neck (almost) and well timed with a good chasing pack.

It appered to be on the slant but I think it's the fence and the building behind that are out as the white post and fence in the background look fine. That's just an observation rather than any particular critique.

White balance, yes on the cool side. A lot of action is shot jpg only (for upload speed to websites and the press) so RAW is a luxury for professional sports sjhooters. However, even wth jpg you can batch process in Lightroom for example even if white balance adjustment is all you do. Shooting for yopurself, you have the freedom to choose.

Cropping in close and tight is the way most sports mages are presented, so if the image can take it (this one's sharp so it can) then do it. I'm not saying there aren't occasions when a wider view is good.

On your modification. Looking closely there are the tell tale signs of repeated cloning of the same spot. Likely not noticeable by your average punter. Maybe accepted for example as an illustratiion in marketing bumpf but not for example for a sports site where material alteration of the image isn't permissible, journalistic integrity and so forth.
And anyway, that close crop we're talking about would pretty much avoid that issue here!

That's not taking anything away from your capture skills.

And you just had to come away with some sticky toffee pudding from the local store! Didn't you?
24 Aug 2017 10:08PM
Excellent action Shot,
Fred.
24 Aug 2017 10:38PM
Well I've been rumbled with the sticky toffee pudding, er its for food photography naturally. The pork n thingy pies from the shop next to the brewery aren't bad either!

I have cropped in from the original, just not sure how much more I can take it in to improve it.. Hmm any further suggestions very welcome.

I forgot to mention above, that I generally upload a jpeg version to ePhotozine, I have the raw file in LR to muck about with.

Thanks for all your comments.

cheers

Tim

25 Aug 2017 12:12AM
Hi Tim,

I have just seen this and think it is very good. There certainly has been a lot of useful comments given for consideration. As for me I think that I would liked to have seen a tighter crop which I think would have shown the jumping power of the two leading horses a little more clearly.

regards,

robert
paulbroad 13 131 1293 United Kingdom
26 Aug 2017 6:11PM
You should upload JPG to the net, and in sRGB format.

Paul

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