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Pathway to heaven v1

By Oldtog
I did not know what title to give this one. I know it is on the tilt but I was not aware of this at the time yesterday Jan 17th.

Again your comments welcome


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dudler Plus
18 1.6k 1870 England
18 Jan 2021 10:45AM
Thanks for getting out and shooting new stuff!

The exposure difference is because the framing is different: more bright sky in the second image, and that has fooled the camera into thinking that the scene's brighter than it really is: modern exposure systems are very good, and getting better. A 2013 camera is getting there, but needs some care, still.

Tilts and the low contrast that a grey winter day gives are easy to correct in editing software - mod coming. And I strongly suggest raising the ISO to 400 or even 800 in relatively-dim daylight. Give yourself some headroom with shake-free shutter speeds and more depth of field, especially for a shot like this, with front-to-back interest.
dudler Plus
18 1.6k 1870 England
18 Jan 2021 10:56AM
One extra thought after doing some editing.

You chose daylight white balance, which is what I generally do. However, it means that when the light is cold, as on a grey and overcast day, the result is slightly blue and unappealing. You can exploit this for a deliberately chilly look - and many people prefer it warmer. Your choice.

My crop leaves trees right at the edges. Generally, beware of cutting trees or sheep in half - here, though, I think it provides a frame. You've got a sensible overall composition, with the path heading gently right, then bending to the left to the church, like a hockey stick.

The semi-horizontal path on the right and the vertical church on the left work together, playing against each other, like a singer adding a descant to a choral work (that sounds great, but you should understand that I am thoroughly unmusical myself, and could sing neither part...)
18 Jan 2021 11:06AM
Thanks for the comments dudler, next time I will go by myself for a walk, as her indoors was with me on this one, so I was under instructions to take one photograph whilst she went into the church to light a candle. So I cheated and took two.

I did notice it was not levelled up when I put it on the computer, so since I have been back I have set the camera option for third squares so I have an idea of what should go where, I hope.

Thanks again

chase Plus
15 2.2k 566 England
18 Jan 2021 11:33AM
Hi Dave, I see you are getting out and about with your camera and climbing up that steep slope to understanding your camera.

Your exif data gives this as taken 25th June 2020 though, perhaps you need to check the settings on your camera to get to the right date and time.

This does need a tilt correction as you are aware. John has done a few nice mods with that in mind and I do like V3 with the extra boost in contrast, the warmer white balance and I think the B&W is a goodie too.

A good idea to set your camera to display the thirds guidance too.

This is a pretty scene but the bland sky lets it down a little, worth checking the weather etc for a better time to take images perhaps with a better sky as the brightness has tricked your camera.

Revisiting this scene on your own would give you much more time to consider different setting and compositions, an accompanying person not interested in photography will soon get pretty bored with the whole thing.
Well done, keep going, all of a sudden tings will fall into place for you.

And, thank you so much for joining in the conversation, always nice to know we have helped you in the Critique Gallery.

mrswoolybill Plus
14 2.9k 2435 United Kingdom
18 Jan 2021 11:49AM
A lot of ground has been covered, I shall just add a couple of thoughts.

Composition here is really about how to balance the diagonals of the path with the church. I would be inclined to stand a couple of paces to the right, in order to strengthen the line on the left side. I'd also like to use one of those lanterns by the path to anchor the composition on the right. It's about fitting lines into a rectangle so that they look as though they are occupying the frame on their own terms, meant to be there.

I also think that this could be better with a longer focal length, to bring the background forward towards us.

John has explained the exposure difference. Pointing a camera towards sky can very easily trick its 'brain' into underexposing, and it only needs a few degrees difference to affect that. Check out your EV setting and add say 1/3 or 2/3 stop compensation when appropriate.

But things like tilt and minor exposure faults are easily remedied in post-processing. It's not a reason to be careless at the time of taking, but it is a great comfort! Wink

I shall go and have a play with this...
mrswoolybill Plus
14 2.9k 2435 United Kingdom
18 Jan 2021 12:16PM
OK, back again, I've uploaded two related mods based on the main upload.

I warmed colour by 4%, I think it improves the tones in the tree trunks. I tweaked light, straightened (a mix of rotate and skew), and then cropped to square to bring a diagonal into the bottom left corner and a lantern into bottom right. I find square a very satisfying format, it 'contains' a subject nicely in its own compact, private space.

B&W was worked in Nik Silver Efex, with a discrete frame and some use of burn edges. I lightened on the yellow channel, to improve detail in the trees, and added a tiny hint of sepia toning.

The verticals for the church are tricky, because the tower tapers. I'm not surprised that you had difficulty! Can you call up grid lines on the 700D? They can be very useful! I'm a Nikon gal, I have a feeling that this is possible with some but not all Canon models.

And thanks for joining in the conversation here, it makes so much difference. The Critique Gallery at its best really is about two things - answering questions and giving ideas.
banehawi Plus
17 2.5k 4255 Canada
18 Jan 2021 2:20PM
Apart from the date, the time seems right by that clock! Certainly not June.

You are using Partial metering, which is not idea; its a variation of Spot metering which will result in a different exposure depending on small variances in where you point the camera. Always, always, always use the default Evaluative metering mode on a Canon of that type.

The white balance look ok to me as the light isnt great, and youre using the older version of a Tamron super zoom. The exif data indicated manual WB rather than the daylight symbol, this could be due to the camera vintage.

Try changing the metering mods next time.

Mod uploaded with that rotation, a tweak with exposure and colour.


pamelajean Plus
15 1.6k 2228 United Kingdom
18 Jan 2021 7:21PM

Quote:I have set the camera option for third squares

Well done, Dave. I have mine on screen all the time. It's surprising how you don't notice it until you feel that you need it.

Modification V5 appeals to me because it concentrates attention on the church and gravestones, with the pathway and trees still prominent and serving their compositional purposes.

Sometimes, when you have a bright plain sky, you can lower your camera and watch the exposure alter as you do so. But if that light isn't easy to avoid, use some plus Exposure Compensation. This is often called EV. Exposure compensation is a function that lets you override the camera's automatic exposure control to lighten or darken a photo or elements in the photo. It gives you the ability to change the camera’s exposure values from something other than what the camera automatically sets for you.
Due to the bright sky, you end up with a shot that is underexposed, so the ideal approach is to anticipate that the camera will underexpose and use positive compensation. It does feel counter-intuitive, but it's something worth remembering.

Quote:Your exif data gives this as taken 25th June 2020 though, perhaps you need to check the settings on your camera to get to the right date and time

You will need to change am to pm as well.


19 Jan 2021 11:35AM
Hi all, thanks for the above, I did not check out the time and dates ooooops, now updated.
Banehawl, have now changed to Evaluative metering after my photo trip out yesterday, thanks for pointing that out.
PJ, Exposure meter readings for this time of year (yuk), what would your suggestions be in the + or - side and what value approx.

I am now getting used to the settings as I have been playing with them, nothings are getting a tad better for me, but I have a way to go as yet.


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