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Peak Walls

By cameragirl6
Liked the different shapes the walls make and the lone couple of trees. I didn't know whether crop the top copse of trees from the image but it would have left a section of wall at the top of the image. Your thoughts would be much appreciated.

Tags: Peak district Landscape and travel


mrswoolybill Plus
13 1.8k 2149 United Kingdom
10 Jul 2019 2:51PM
Hi Annette, welcome to ePHOTOzine! You joined a few months ago but I see that this is your first upload. I hope you'll find it useful - this is a very friendly site, a good place to share and to learn.

You ticked for critique and that puts your upload into the Critique Gallery as well as the main gallery. It disables votes and awards, but invites more in-depth comment.

This is a popular subject - dry stone walls plus the Lone Tree. It's very much a case of less is more, keep things simple and clean, concentrate on a few lines. So I would definitely get rid of the copse at the top. It's also a subject where I would want to walk round a bit, look at different angles. One of the strengths here is that you have a diagonal hitting that bottom right corner, much stronger than lines ending midway along an edge of the frame.

Don't feel that you have to stick to 3 x 2 landscape format, it's worth looking at portrait format as well because that draws the eye towards the horizon; and think about what a square or pano crop might give.

Two important points - this was taken at lunch time, just about the least satisfactory time of day for natural light because the sun is close to being overhead. That flattens colours and textures. Early morning or late afternoon will give side light, showing up every lump and bump in the grass and creating long shadows to balance the angle of the trees.

Plus, was this hand-held? It's a bit soft, and that may well be down to camera-shake, 1/40 second was perilously slow for holding that focal length. You didn't need to use F18, F11 would have been fine with careful focus on the tree, and that would have allowed a safer shutter speed.

I shall try a crop or two. It also occurs to me that something gritty like dry stone walls might work well in mono. In due course I hope to upload a few modifications - by ticking for critique you enable members to download the image and work on it. Modifications will appear under the blue Modifications button below your upload.

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Canonshots 9 201 13 United Kingdom
10 Jul 2019 3:06PM
Don't crop it. The composition is nice as it is. The copse doesn't spoil it.

The rather flat lighting might be better handled by boosting the contrast a bit in post-processing. Otherwise I agree with everything Mrswoolybill says.
dudler Plus
16 1.0k 1575 England
10 Jul 2019 4:30PM
And welcome from me, too, Annette.

My first thought is about the camerawork - if you get this as right as possible, it saves time and effort later, in editing. Here, you went far too slow on the shutter speed because of stopping down to f/18... I bet someone told you that you should always stop down as much as possible for landscape: they forgot to mention that this only matters when the foreground is much closer than the middle distance and background - or that most lenses perform best two to three stops down from maximum aperture. f/8 or f/11 would have been fine - indeed, rather better in every way. However, Aperture priority is a good way to go for landscape.

I'm in two minds about the copse in the top right corner: does it balance the tree, or take the eye away from the main subject? What do you think? The really important point is that you see that it's there, and make your own positive decision.

The wall heading into the bottom right corner of the frame anchors the whole thing to the frame - try an alternative crop with it higher or lower, and see if it's as satisfactory.

Please come back with your own thoughts - a conversation always works best!
banehawi Plus
15 2.2k 4084 Canada
10 Jul 2019 4:45PM
Welcome Annette.

To add to all the feedback above: the image has little or no fine detail, - the tree for example is quite soft, - this could be due to the slow shutter speed, but it also may have something to do with how you prepare the image for uploading to EPZ, as well as how youve set your JPEG quality.

If shooting JPEG, make sure you select the highest, FINE quality; do not re-size at all for uploading here, - let the site handle this, - it may make a positive difference.

Ive uploaded a heavily sharpened mod that also has a lot less yellow, - how did you set your white balance, - do you remember?


pamelajean Plus
14 1.3k 2106 United Kingdom
10 Jul 2019 8:28PM
Hello, Annette, and welcome to EPZ and its Critique Gallery.

The Critique Gallery is your opportunity to learn about photography on a personal level. We will assist with all aspects of photography. It helps us if you respond to critique and indicate which ideas you found helpful.
That means we can tailor advice according to your needs and abilities.
We like this to be an interactive area of the site.

Thankyou for detailing your reason for requesting critique and for including your Exif Data.

This is an interesting scene, and I like the way you have offset the lone trees in your frame. As soon as I saw your query about the copse, I simply scrolled up and down, including the copse and then removing it. I decided that I preferred it removed.
I have done a modification with it removed, and have maintained your aspect ratio, so part of the right side has also been cropped. That brings your largest tree's trunk nicely onto a thirds line, but also keeps the wall moving into the bottom right corner, which is perfect.

I also brightened the image, deepened the blacks, increased the whites, and sharpened overall. I then selectively sharpened the trees and the two foreground walls because they're nearest to us as we stand in front of the view.

The image has good strong lines and also the trees are a strong focal point. I like the fact that you haven't included any sky, and that's where I think the image's strength lies, in the concentration on the lines and trees.


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