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Robin

By mikerail007
Please be critical with my Images hope you like this Photo of the Robin .

Tags: Birds General Bird nature wildlife

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dudler Plus
17 1.5k 1812 England
11 Feb 2021 5:16AM
Hi, Mike, and welcome to the Critique Gallery - you've been a member of EPZ for a long time, so I assume you know what we do here.

I'm not an expert on wildlife, so others will have more (and more useful) things to say, especially if you can give us a little more information about how you think this works.

I'll say, for now, that shooting in good light makes getting a sharp result easier, and yo've handled the exposure settings well, I think.

However, you've uploaded a very small image - the best thing to do, for quality, is to upload a full-size version, and let the site resize and sharpen. This is less than 800 pixels square, so it's limiting in what we can do with mods.

Anyway - not at all a bad shot of a robin. But the experts will be along later in the day.
mrswoolybill Plus
14 2.7k 2376 United Kingdom
11 Feb 2021 8:21AM
Hello again, you have posted in the Critique Gallery before but not for a while.

As John says above - this file is small - the site's advice is to upload the full size file, the site will do the necessary.

I would add a question - did you use a tripod? You used a program mode - Action (high speed), which is presumably designed for motor sport and similar. Not the obvious choice, but it has served you well if hand-holding as it gave you a very fast shutter speed to avoid camera shake with a very long lens. With a camera set on a tripod, carefully positioned and aimed at that stump, you could get away with a slower shutter and therefore a lower ISO for image quality.

The lesson is - learn from the settings, and then take control to set the camera yourself. The camera has a very good calculating brain but absolutely no intuition, it cannot tell what you are photographing or what effect you want.

Looking back, I see that I commented on the use of that program mode on your last CG upload, at the zoo.

This image was taken nearly two years ago - do you have more recent work?

I hope that we shall hear more from you, the Critique Gallery works best when we get a conversation going. Looking back at previous CG uploads I don't think you have commented on whether advice actually helped - that means that we are rather working in the dark.
Moira
chase Plus
15 2.1k 541 England
11 Feb 2021 11:00AM
Hi Mike.
Without some input from you we really don't know what you need or want critique or help with.
Composition ?
Exposure ?
Anything else ?

As has been mentioned this is a very small file size at only 651 kb so difficult to help with much tbh. The file size has increased the noise/ artefacts here and to me it looks over sharpened.
You need to give us something a lot larger for us to offer constructive critique.
No need to resize, the site algorithm will do the necessary for you.
The lighter part of the chest is overexposed and really he/she could have done with a little more room on the RHS for him/her to look into, this is a bit central.

Historically you have not given any indication of liking or not liking any critique offered, which is a shame as we do try to help wherever possible.

It is very important that you contribute to the conversation Mike, we need you to help us to help you.
dark_lord Plus
16 2.8k 751 England
11 Feb 2021 12:05PM
Welcome back.
You've got nice light on this but it is overexposed as you've lost detail in the feathers (both in the white area and the oversaturated orange) and some of the perch.
The catchlight in the eye is good.
The square format works. though I'd go for a little more 'breathing space' for the subject for a less cramped look.
Focus is fine.

However it's a substantial crop as evidenced by the noise and the need to oversharpen (that creates the giveaway wiry, gritty look), and high compression to a very small file size has only exacerbated the situation. While it's easy to crop in close to try and impress, when the image starts to degrade it's not so impressive.
The key is to reduce the distance you're shooting. Robins are bold and inquisitive and with some patience will come quite close (a reward in the form of mealworms is very helpful).Fieldcraft and knowing your subject takes more input from you but ultim,ately shows in the results obtained.

There are some very good bird photographers on here (Mike_Young and Mike_Smith immediately spring to my mind, apologies if I don't list all my favourites!) so check out their portfolios.
mrswoolybill Plus
14 2.7k 2376 United Kingdom
11 Feb 2021 12:20PM
Keith makes a very good point about robins - they are so self-confident and sociable, there's absolutely no need to use such a long focal length. Which allows a slower shutter speed (at 150mm, your widest with this lens, 1/500 should be amply fast enough for both kit and subject), and a much lower ISO. Better control, better image quality.
pamelajean Plus
15 1.5k 2201 United Kingdom
11 Feb 2021 3:19PM
Hello again, Mike.

You have had some good advice above, and a little feedback from you would really be appreciated.

Your subject is lovely, posing nicely, perched on an interesting wooden post, looking in your direction, and with a nice little catchlight in its eye.

If you have the original, before you cropped, it would be good to see it here. You can upload it under the Modifications option above. It would be easier for us to do some editing on the original.
However, getting closer to your subject is the better way to go, for good image quality. The more you crop the more pixels you take away.

Robins are people-friendly, not too fast, and pose very nicely, as you can see from the number of robin pictures we get on this site. If I just sit still in the garden, robins will come close, especially if tempted by mealworms or the like.

Are you happy with this image? And has the critique helped?
Try to take some pictures based on the advice you have received, upload them here in the Critique Gallery, tell us what you have done, ask questions, and we can move forward together more happily.

Pamela.
mrswoolybill Plus
14 2.7k 2376 United Kingdom
13 Feb 2021 1:26PM
Hi Mike, are you looking in? A number of people have taken the time to contribute thoughts here, so please let us know whether any of this helps, if it has given you ideas to work on. Otherwise we are working in the dark.
Regards,
Moira
paulbroad 13 131 1293 United Kingdom
14 Feb 2021 10:27AM
A nice effort with just a touch over exposure causing burn out in a small area on the brest. I assume the lens is the Sigma. Big and heavy, but you have a sharp result. I would try and go down one stop and keep the ISO as low as you can get away with. I try and maximise at 800 unless I have no choice. The contrast/burn out will be exasperated by high ISO. If you do not have one, try a monopod. A great help in supporting the gear but far more mobile than a tripod.

Paul

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