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By EllieEdge  
A Sadhu at Pashupati, Kathmandu.

Tags: Black and white Portraits and people

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This photo is here for critique. Please only comment constructively and with suggestions on how to improve it.


Toonman Plus
10 1.4k 2 England
30 Dec 2010 8:09AM
A really good portrait that deserves more votes and goes to prove that good shots are not getting the merit they deserve.


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Toonman Plus
10 1.4k 2 England
30 Dec 2010 10:24AM
I've just noticed voting is disabled.......sorry.

Nice photo still, going in close on the face maybe an alternative.
banehawi Plus
13 1.7k 3806 Canada
30 Dec 2010 3:27PM
Hi Ellie,

Godt Nytt År!

This is a terrific image, and posting it here is a real challenge to the Critique Team.

I can only offer a few suggestions, and an alternate treatment.

In mod 1, I feel the image may be a little long and thin, so have placed his eyes on a third and added space to the right. I cheated her to retail all his hair by selecting the hair only and squishing it down a little.

The treatment alternative is im mod2, for a darker, slightly toned look. I achieved this by converting mod 1 to a Dragan effect, and blending it into mod1 at 15%. It may be a more dramatic look that might suit. I would love to know if you like this fairly radical treatment.


EllieEdge Plus
10 15 42 Norway
30 Dec 2010 3:54PM
Hi Willie,
Happy New Year to you too, i am impressed!

I am always so impressed with your mods that I never want to touch Photoshop again! There is no hope for me Smile

I like both mods for different reasons. He seems to stand out much more than in my attempt in mod 1. I really like the drama in mod 2 apart from the hair disappearing against a very dark background. I was thinking a bit about darker backfround but didn't know how to get that without "loosing" the hair. I uploaded a v2 in jpg so you could see approximately where I started.
I was definitely a bit too close - should have had more space around his arms as you mentioned. This was my first day with an 85 mm fixed lens. Love the shallow dof though Smile
EllieEdge Plus
10 15 42 Norway
30 Dec 2010 3:56PM
Adam - Thank you - I was wondering about that too... Always confusing to decide how much of the environment should be included.
banehawi Plus
13 1.7k 3806 Canada
30 Dec 2010 4:09PM
Gave you back some more hair Ellie.

The conversion you did was very good now that I see the original, and mono is the way to go with this.

Which lens do you have?

EllieEdge Plus
10 15 42 Norway
30 Dec 2010 4:26PM
Thank you for the hair Smile
I like that dramatic Dragan effect... hm... have to google that again - I think maybe it was you who mentioned that earlier.
I like your crop better also so I have to go back and change mine. Smile
I am making a Blurb book for a friend who couldn't come on the "Kathmandu Within The Frame" trip.

The lens is an 1.2 from Canon, very good result but slow to focus. And heavy! This imge was taken at f/1.4. 1.2 seems to be TOO shallow for portraits. If i don't nail it spot on at least.
banehawi Plus
13 1.7k 3806 Canada
30 Dec 2010 10:56PM
A great lens I considered, but due to cost I went for the 135mm f/2L, - which is also fabulous at a lower price.

Some day though...

EllieEdge Plus
10 15 42 Norway
30 Dec 2010 10:59PM
A friend was coming over from the states and the list price there was half of what it was here so ... I went for it Smile
Figured I could sell it for more than I bought it for if it turned out not to be right for me.
banehawi Plus
13 1.7k 3806 Canada
1 Jan 2011 6:25PM
You wont sell it!

paulbroad Plus
10 123 1215 United Kingdom
3 Jan 2011 1:22PM
Basically a nice shot, but needs a little less exposure and a slight touch of unsharp mask. The colour version is the better one, although it should be the Mono. This would make a super mono, but your conversion has lost the full tonal range, introducing some highlights which are too strong, and shadows too dark - the hair is not distinct.

Use the channel mixer, then control each colour channel to get the desired range. Then lift the contrast and you have the classic ethnic portrait. Would also come in closer.

EllieEdge Plus
10 15 42 Norway
3 Jan 2011 4:34PM
Thank you Paul for such a detailed description. I'm not quite sure I understand the approach but will have a go with the channel mixer instead. I don't know how to see when I've clipped highlights or shadows.
By "lift the contrast" do you mean to actually use the contrast slider or via curves?
By come in closer - do you mean to crop? I notice you cropped the left arm a bit which i think adds balance.
Or did you mean that I should have walked closer? Or used the 24-70 instead of the fixed 85 mm lens? And then bben able to include the same but from a closer range?
I really like the 85 mm for low DOF portraits but of course it limits where you can shoot from.

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