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SlowSong Plus
9 7.3k 30 England
25 Aug 2011 9:55PM
Very girly and coy waterfalls. Smile

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25 Aug 2011 10:12PM
Great composition with a mystical quality resulting from your pp.
edrhodes 13 547 12 United Kingdom
25 Aug 2011 10:20PM
Like the composition Pete, but for me, knowing the location the foliage looks just a bit to light and unnatural. But then you could of had a real sunny day Grin
BillyGoatGruff 10 191 199 England
25 Aug 2011 10:33PM
Once again you've made a magnificent composition, Pete!

I'm compelled to say, I'm afraid, that I think the HDR is merely adequate and that this beautiful image would really benefit from having the contrast better developed and defined.
The drama of this scene and the movement within it has been let down considerably by trying to reproduce all the tones, resulting in an emotionally flat picture and lacking any sense of depth or light so characteristic in deep valleys.

Try duplicating the layer, set the blend mode to multiply and opacity to around 75%, to see what I mean! Smile
If you agree, then I think you'd also need to blend in one of the original frames at the top, where there seems to be some subject movement, once again emphasizing the use of HDR.
When used well, HDR is (and should) be invisible: - look at Dave U's work, or Royce Howland's, otherwise it becomes just an obvious and unsubtle technique and it's very easy to be seduced by the facilty to use "the whole tonal range" at the expense of emotional impact.

Personally I would have tried to use one or maybe two of the frames and blended by hand.
An image of this obvious quality deserves better than HDR.

Ok. Rant over.
And only an opinion....Grin


annettep38 Plus
6 218 40 Costa Rica
25 Aug 2011 10:33PM
a fairy's playground! very pretty.
idiot question: what on earth is photomatics? a PS plugin?
Lovely image
pluckyfilly 11 351 33 United Kingdom
25 Aug 2011 10:54PM
I have used photomatix its a plugin for HDR images as far as I know - if I could produce an image like this I would be well pleased but we all have our limitations in varying forms. I did think yesterdays showed better as a great result.
Pete Plus
16 18.8k 97 England
25 Aug 2011 11:22PM
Thanks all, and special thanks to Bill for taking the time to deliver a full critique. Wish more would do this throughout the gallerySmile
Ed I've uploaded one of the middle unedited bracketed shots so you can see it was actually very sunny when we were there.
SteveH1978 8 3 3 England
25 Aug 2011 11:39PM
Cracking shot, with great composition and colours. nice one!

RonnieAG Plus
8 154 118 Scotland
26 Aug 2011 12:19AM
A beautifully composed image, the water captured in such a way to show just a satisfactory amount of movement.
I do not have the knowledge to understand Bill's remarks fully, and HDR is a close book to mr, but I did find reading his remarks quite stimulating.
LesF 11 182 9
26 Aug 2011 7:20AM
Is that huge tree trunk still there to the right Pete, blocking out the use of a wider lanscape format of the location, it was a couple of months back and shots recently from here suggest it still is.

BillyGoatGruff 10 191 199 England
26 Aug 2011 9:13AM
Glad to have been of some use, Pete!

Deep river gorges are not easy, particularly on bright sunny days!!
I had very similar contrast problems when I was in South Wales not too long ago, exacerbated by the fact that an unshielded sun was shining directly up the valley, meaning that my (very dense) shadow was in almost every shot! Not easy to get around that one or even achieve a decent composition!
Sometimes a strong soft grad will help, but more often than not, some sort of HDR approach is necessary to capture the full tonal range.

Where, in my opinion, a lot of people fall down is believeing that HDR techniques alone are the be-all-and-end-all of image processing and don't, therefore, take the final steps after the tone-mapping, which usually involves putting some contrast, drama and emotion back into the image. Thus they are often losing sight of what prompted the capture in the first place!

It is, surely, the huge range of light and shade and their interplay with each other that can evoke our emotional, subjective response in situations such as this one.
HDR, then, is merely just a technique for capturing this and attempting to recreate it in the smaller tonal space of a monitor or print.
Just because something has be "HDR'ed" doesn't make it good! It's just another tool to help with one's expressiveness.....

If we saw the chisel marks in Michaelangelo's David would we be so impressed with it? I think not.
Similarly, it's important for people to not lose sight of the fact that HDR imaging is just such a tool and just a stage on the way to making an image, and therefore not important in and of itself.
It is the finshed piece that is important, not how one achieved it.

Some further thoughts (ok, opinions!), anyway..... Wink
I'll shut up now - I'm off on hols soon Smile


LisaRose 11 172 4 United States
26 Aug 2011 4:53PM
Love the way you composed this shot Pete. Looks like a really beautiful place.

29 Aug 2011 5:09PM
beautifully composed pic. but I find it easy to tell that it's a montage.

colin beeley Plus
15 1.2k 10 England
4 Sep 2011 5:49PM
love a great waterfall shot Wink
gingerdelight 11 298 11 United Kingdom
5 Sep 2011 4:09PM
Wow! Stunning!
AshTree 8 1.7k 6 England
7 Sep 2011 8:44AM
It's a wonderful composition of a truly magnificent and graceful waterfall. I've never tried HDR but I can appreciate the differences between the the two versions and see the improvements in the final upload of V1. And I've loved reading BillyGoatGruff's two critiques - we can all learn so much from the generosity of some of the members here, so thank you Bill!
ianrobinson 8 1.2k 8 United Kingdom
10 Sep 2011 9:17AM
Nicely produced Pete.
Your HDR take on this is very good, i presume you like as natural a shot as possible on HDR images as this definetly looks so natural i did not think for one second it was a HDR image.
Love that exposure on the water and all done on the pentax, got to say i am unfamiliar with this camera is it a 4/3 camera.
A great shot and must say i am always inspired by shots of this calibre.

ColouredImages 13 47 35 United Kingdom
12 Sep 2011 7:21PM
I find that HDR treatment on waterfalls doesn't always produce the right effect, especially on the water. However the use of five bracketed frames seems to have worked well in this case. And I had to look twice to appreciate it was actually HDR. The colours appear to have taken on a very green tinge, maybe that was intentional or just an effect of using HDR. Maybe a tweak to the colours may have benefited the end result, not sure?
For me what makes this is the composition: I have visited the site myself many times and the difficulty with trying to get the entire drop in is the overexposed sky which results. However, the angle from which you have shot has eliminated this problem. At the end of the day, if the light ain't right at Scalebar then you're buggared but quite clearly this shot has benefited from the use of HDR.

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