Selling Shellfish

By keithh  
You can travel the length and breadth of the country taking photographs but sometimes the ones that have meaning are the ones on your doorstep...

..so this one is for Janet and me as it's my favourite of this year so far by a mile.

Some of the stalls on Doncaster's Fish Market have been in the same family for three and four generations. They have helped to create something for the town to be proud of - if only Doncaster's Town Council could but see it.

Tags: Market General Fish Architecture Landscape and travel Doncaster

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HowardA 9 231
12 Feb 2007 9:18AM
Beautiful colours and comp Keith. Has it been HDR'd?
Howard

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keithh Plus
12 24.9k 33 Wallis And Futuna
12 Feb 2007 9:22AM
It is a HDR image. Lots of views on this which is a little bit of a downer...LOL...as I love this shot to death. It equals anything I took last year for me.
dazzaman 9 631 England
12 Feb 2007 9:23AM
this is spot on keith.perfect comp.and the colours are so vibrant
love it.



not been to donny markets for ages, we must make a trip,and have some cockles.and muscles, you av set me off now. mmmmmm.
mattmatic 12 598
12 Feb 2007 9:28AM
Funnily enough I could tell it was HDR from the thumbnail (looks really strange!)... Smile

What is more than a little bizarre is that the person on the left has lost their legs! :o)

Oh the wonders of HDR!!

But I like this Wink
Matt
12 Feb 2007 9:30AM
Really like how this is lit, a wonderful, perfectly exposed capture
chesh 12 45 United Kingdom
12 Feb 2007 9:30AM
'Sagoodun Kieth
I have to agree with your own comments on this one.
Superbly mapped tones and all that. I would have cropped a little off the left hand side just so that the pillar sits in the same relative position as the one on the right.
One of the best shots I've seen lately.
Dave
Imagine23 9 241 United Kingdom
12 Feb 2007 9:31AM
Love it
L
keithh Plus
12 24.9k 33 Wallis And Futuna
12 Feb 2007 9:32AM
She has no legs on the actual RAW file either because she's sat on a stool....the people were added back into the HDR file afterwards, so in fact nothing to do with the wonders of HDR at all
Wink
TonyA 11 11 Spain
12 Feb 2007 9:33AM
Excellent HDR image, Keith. Capturing the two persons without any movement is quite a feat. I remember that commenting my first HDR image you told me that it was basically a technique for still image and with these shots you are proving yourself wrong.

Antonio
culturedcanvas 10 4.7k 59 United Kingdom
12 Feb 2007 9:34AM
Keith - I've got a closed up shot of Durham market to come and know exactly what you are saying.

Once again for me personally this is up there with the interior HDR shots you took at York.

Some would say this is missing something - but not me. Technically excellent and so obviously personal.

Dan
POOCHIE 10 21 6 United Kingdom
12 Feb 2007 9:34AM
This is marvellous Keith, looks so art deco I keep expecting Poirot to turn up for some food for his little grey cells lol.

Pooch.
keithh Plus
12 24.9k 33 Wallis And Futuna
12 Feb 2007 9:38AM
LOL...I'd love to know what was missing. I know where this stands as an image - but don't let that stop people saying what's wrong with it - you may get a discussion of course.
Wink

I just came up with a way of colour matching straight shots with the HDR'd shot, Tony, which means I can drop standard images into HDR'd ones....makes life interesting
DaveU Plus
10 1.3k 123 England
12 Feb 2007 9:41AM
A stylish shot Keith, and I especially like the contrast between the simple exterior and the detail and colour of the interior. For me though this does look a tad unbalanced and I'd agree that a slight crop off the left edge might restore the harmony.
culturedcanvas 10 4.7k 59 United Kingdom
12 Feb 2007 9:42AM
I think the discussion is going to be over composition. For some the composition will be too random and maybe lacking balance and focus.

I'm not saying that I necessarily agree with that - just that i can see the possibility for some to think that way.

{EDIT - see previous post !}
keithh Plus
12 24.9k 33 Wallis And Futuna
12 Feb 2007 9:45AM
Thankfully my seminar at Focus is on composition
Wink

Cropping from the left alters where the three lights and the words Fish Market stand - cropping minor elements to the detriment of major ones is never good photography. If someone sees this as random...well words would fail me.
culturedcanvas 10 4.7k 59 United Kingdom
12 Feb 2007 9:48AM
I think a lot of people will see this as random.

However thats the beauty of composition - rules are there to be broken and from an artistic viewpoint that is always a good thing.
glenalva Plus
10 338 United Kingdom
12 Feb 2007 9:49AM
It looks like it's housed in a beautiful historic building, that set of lights (which I absolutely love!) and pattern on the floor/pavement have a real Victorian feel about them....a treat to see.

Looking at it again it's maybe more Art Deco than Victorian lol.....can't make my mind up.....keep coming back for another look.

Ali
keithh Plus
12 24.9k 33 Wallis And Futuna
12 Feb 2007 9:53AM
Grids are rarely random - however...onward and downward.
culturedcanvas 10 4.7k 59 United Kingdom
12 Feb 2007 9:57AM
You wanted to the discussion .. I'm merely sitting on the fence Smile

(Quite painful it is too ... )
HowardA 9 231
12 Feb 2007 10:02AM
haha...the comments are really making me laugh. Very pleasantly surprised at everyone's sense of humour this early on a Monday...good stuff. Honestly, I think there is so much to enjoy with this Keith - the shadows of the shutters and the zones of light in the f/g, the three different shades of green in the lighting..and the composition!! The clicks must be a-coming. Cheers, Howard.
keithh Plus
12 24.9k 33 Wallis And Futuna
12 Feb 2007 10:02AM
I have no problem with discussion - although we seem to be discussing what other people 'might' say, I just don't see this as random by any stretch of anybody's imagination.
Maybe I should have put it in Photojournalism and claimed to have been under attack while I was taking it.
Wink

Oh don't worry, Howard - these discussions often crop up in my work.
mattmatic 12 598
12 Feb 2007 10:03AM

Quote:the people were added back into the HDR file afterwards

So did they not appear at all in the HDR? Or were they just so blurred as to disappear?

So this is HDR + Normal then? :-P
Maybe you should coin another phrase! MDR (Mixed Dynamic Range) for instance.
Matt
keithh Plus
12 24.9k 33 Wallis And Futuna
12 Feb 2007 10:05AM
The figures don't appear in the HDR image at all in fact the two people weren't there...then I took a couple of shots after when they were - and added those in to the HDR shot.

So this is HDR GTi
chris-p Plus
10 65 England
12 Feb 2007 10:23AM
Just wondering how long you would spend at the computer to create images like this..looks complicated
Chris
keithh Plus
12 24.9k 33 Wallis And Futuna
12 Feb 2007 10:27AM
bout ten minutes
Hanners Plus
10 875 10 Ireland
12 Feb 2007 10:31AM
yeah, I know what you mean Mr H, you can sometimes neglect whats under your very nose, I like this one for the colours and detail.





CLIX
jken 10 1.7k 1 United Kingdom
12 Feb 2007 11:09AM
Love the look and feel to this. It's almost Maya like.

john
keithh Plus
12 24.9k 33 Wallis And Futuna
12 Feb 2007 11:22AM
I just like the randomesque flow of juxtapositional elements working against the taint of working class drudgery in a world of supermarket fueled consumerism.

I am going to rename this 'Slap My Fish Up.'
paulcr 11 1.5k 9 Ireland
12 Feb 2007 11:40AM
I love composition in this. The positioning of the two subjects is just excellent. Paul
dp 12 163 3 United Kingdom
12 Feb 2007 11:54AM
Have another RC.


Dave
keithh Plus
12 24.9k 33 Wallis And Futuna
12 Feb 2007 11:58AM
LOL...I will not back down from these food related shots!!!
Wink
HowardA 9 231
12 Feb 2007 12:31PM
Best get my 'skates' on before these fish puns start working their way in. Howard.
keithh Plus
12 24.9k 33 Wallis And Futuna
12 Feb 2007 12:33PM
Best not flounder then.
Boyd 12 11.2k 11 Wales
12 Feb 2007 1:08PM
Obviously I appreciate how you've portrayed the symbiotic relationship between man and fish. The colour sequence of green, blue, red, fish colour, orangey, blue body-warmer, red, microwave is a timeless classic of compositional insouciance.
However, I feel that it's missing something.
I shall return later.
12 Feb 2007 1:22PM
only thing missing here is my click.
But now everything is fine
Boyd 12 11.2k 11 Wales
12 Feb 2007 1:25PM
Koen's click. Of course.
Why do I always look for the obscure instead of concentrating on the obvious?
;o)
culturedcanvas 10 4.7k 59 United Kingdom
12 Feb 2007 1:29PM
Boyd - Maybe it's missing a hook Wink

(Note the clever play on words x 2 Mr H!)

D
rontear Plus
13 8 7 England
12 Feb 2007 1:41PM
An image of a dying trade, as you have mentioned Keith, those supermarkets! Traditional view with composition spot on, fantastic detail. A Slice of life! Ron..
conrad 11 10.9k 116
12 Feb 2007 1:42PM
I can see why you like this, Keith. Technically indeed excellent. Plenty of atmosphere, too.

I think I might have been inclined to crop it slightly more on the left, so it would look like more symmetrical, which I think might increase the impact, but that's just me, of course.

Anyway, good job!

Conrad
keithh Plus
12 24.9k 33 Wallis And Futuna
12 Feb 2007 2:02PM
Many people would have cropped from the left....I'm not one of them
Wink
What's Canvas Dan waffling on about?
LOL
daviewat 12 4.1k Scotland
12 Feb 2007 2:15PM
No cropping Smile) good. But the no smoking sighn Smile)) They seem to pop up in a lot of images now, must develop a market for less obvious ones Smile) mind that would decrease the value of them.
culturedcanvas 10 4.7k 59 United Kingdom
12 Feb 2007 2:18PM
Hey .. I'm not wearing canvas today .. i've gone for SPANDEX !

Smile
keithh Plus
12 24.9k 33 Wallis And Futuna
12 Feb 2007 2:24PM
They do allow the the smoking of Haddock though

why does the idea of Dan in spandex and Little Britain seem so connected?
culturedcanvas 10 4.7k 59 United Kingdom
12 Feb 2007 2:27PM
Well as an intelligent and cultured guy who doesn't watch such trash I'll leave that to you to work out ..

Wink
keithh Plus
12 24.9k 33 Wallis And Futuna
12 Feb 2007 2:40PM
I already have
deviant 12 3.1k 1 United Kingdom
12 Feb 2007 2:45PM
Okay I'll try a food joke right after I decod the image.
keithh Plus
12 24.9k 33 Wallis And Futuna
12 Feb 2007 2:47PM
No need to be so snapper about it
culturedcanvas 10 4.7k 59 United Kingdom
12 Feb 2007 2:57PM
Keith .. be careful .. you might start receiving hake mail ..
Rob_Taylor 12 660 5 Wales
12 Feb 2007 4:05PM
I can see why it's one of your favourites, it's brilliant!
Jumped out at me as a HDR image, I don't mean that in a derogatory sense, I opened the thumbnail because I'm interested in what you can achieve with this new software, the detail, texture and dynamic range is fantastic.
Now about the composition .....as suggested by others, I would favour a slight crop to the LH side, I've read your comments but I think that would actually put the light cluster and fish market sign in a better position within the image ...and I'm a sucker for symmetry!
I think someone may have suggested the composition could come across as random because it's so close to symetrical, it could look like that was your aim but you've been careless with the LH side. I'm not suggesting that of course, I'm sitting on the fence with Dan!

Rob
keithh Plus
12 24.9k 33 Wallis And Futuna
12 Feb 2007 4:11PM
Careful it won't take the weight unless Dan get's off first.
Wink


I have no problem with people prefering another view point or crop - it's the word random - when I press the shutter button I know it's what I want and I like the light coming in from the left hand railings....it's never random
culturedcanvas 10 4.7k 59 United Kingdom
12 Feb 2007 4:14PM
You know he's lost when he brings it back around to weight ... Wink
keithh Plus
12 24.9k 33 Wallis And Futuna
12 Feb 2007 4:18PM
i didn't - I refered to the fence and it's weight bearing capabilites.

Lost? - has there been a fight, a competition, a war?
culturedcanvas 10 4.7k 59 United Kingdom
12 Feb 2007 4:26PM
" To survive war ... you have to become war "

Rambo
First Blood Part 2
keithh Plus
12 24.9k 33 Wallis And Futuna
12 Feb 2007 4:36PM
....sigh....
POOCHIE 10 21 6 United Kingdom
12 Feb 2007 4:47PM
I like people who can hover without any legs they are very clever lol.
keithh Plus
12 24.9k 33 Wallis And Futuna
12 Feb 2007 4:50PM
LOL....she's sat on a stool
12 Feb 2007 5:09PM
Great subject, colours and lighting.
chase Plus
10 1.1k 246 England
12 Feb 2007 5:38PM
The image is great but for me..the memories are even greater.....many many thanks Keith!
Janet
SuziBlue 13 16.2k 10 Scotland
12 Feb 2007 5:46PM
Fab. Very.
stevenj 12 2.0k England
12 Feb 2007 6:01PM
I would have preferred two lights above the entrance, the word 'The' before Fish Market, one less row of bricks in the pavement, two less fish on the ice in the display cabinet, the body warmer to have been red, their mobile number to have some more 7's in it, and the fairy lights to have been arranged in a red-blue-green sequence. Oh, and a 4ft tall plastic model of a headless sea bass holding a sign saying "stop me and buy one" outside the right hand market entrance.

So you see Keith, the composition is all wrong.

;o)
keithh Plus
12 24.9k 33 Wallis And Futuna
12 Feb 2007 6:11PM
LOL...the first real sense

almost Rabbit, Suze?
Wink
shortski 10 3 1 England
12 Feb 2007 6:25PM
absoloutely stunning pic, great colours...jojo
martin.w 14 407 22 United Kingdom
12 Feb 2007 6:54PM
Interesting discussion! Random is a strong word, maybe some of us would have cropped from the left, but that doesn't make it a poor image. Anything but it fact. It does look HDR (sorry HDR GTI), but for me it works very well indeed and I would have been pleased to come up with anything like as good given a day at Donny Market Smile
IRaddict 13 34
12 Feb 2007 7:00PM
I can see why this is a favourite, it works a treat.

The HDR is top, what sort of exposures do you have to blend to acheive this result if you don't mind Smile
keithh Plus
12 24.9k 33 Wallis And Futuna
12 Feb 2007 7:16PM
This was five exposures at f13.....and 5secs/2.5secs/1.2secs/0.5 and finally 1/4..it was taken at 7.15am and with the a van behind me waiting less than patiently to back into the space I was stood in.

ta f'ot comments
IRaddict 13 34
12 Feb 2007 7:26PM
Cheers for that, maybe a print would smooth them over.
keithh Plus
12 24.9k 33 Wallis And Futuna
12 Feb 2007 7:27PM
you mean for free don't you?
Wink
alyismad 10 9 Wales
12 Feb 2007 9:05PM
This is spot on keith.perfect

Top class

love the comp

Steve
GillyB Plus
11 317 8 United Kingdom
12 Feb 2007 9:29PM
So much to see and admire in this one Keith.

gill
keithh Plus
12 24.9k 33 Wallis And Futuna
12 Feb 2007 10:30PM
and so to work....

...cheers you lot
a non food day tomorrow....maybe
Wink
TerryBaxter 10 11
12 Feb 2007 10:50PM
It's a brilliant picture; nuff said.

Terry.
Nick-T 10 45 United Kingdom
12 Feb 2007 11:01PM
Like it alot. Love the colours.
PatrickSmith 11 1.2k 2 United States
12 Feb 2007 11:08PM
Yep, this is up there with the best of the best. Maybe it is because I love fish markets, but I like the warm but still realistic tones on the wall. This looks so natural that it almost seems like nothing. In other words, just as it should be. I must hunt down some places like this and try some more hdr's with good subjects.

Patrick
SuziBlue 13 16.2k 10 Scotland
12 Feb 2007 11:43PM

Quote:almost Rabbit, Suze?


yep 8-]
TelStar 11 116 United Kingdom
13 Feb 2007 12:57AM
This is my favourite of yours too; lighting, colours, detail and 'humdrum' activities are fascinating.
T*
13 Feb 2007 1:49AM
Quality capture. Really like it

Colin
wamp 10 276 8 England
13 Feb 2007 7:33AM
Nicely done Keith, the level of detail really is good, nice text as well

Sean
iancatch 9 4 45 England
27 Feb 2007 10:04PM
Had to vote for this one - its my home town and shop here regularly!
keithh Plus
12 24.9k 33 Wallis And Futuna
27 Feb 2007 10:20PM
thanks guys

good lord - me too
StevenPrice 11 30 2 England
6 Mar 2007 12:35PM
mmmm ho for a plate of cockles i allways like stopping of for one while karen does the shopping.

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