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Set in stone

By RichardGoldsmith
It was the last day of a week long workshop and we have had nothing but low clouds all week and then the Lake District let us have this beautiful sunset.

Tags: Lake district Sunsets Landscape and travel


TanyaH Plus
16 1.3k 395 United Kingdom
16 Apr 2018 4:28PM
Hello Tracey - welcome to ePhotoZine, and in particular to our Critique Gallery. I see that you've only joined us recently, and that this is your first upload to the site. I don't know whether you intended this lovely image for the Critique Gallery or not, but you've obviously ticked the 'critique wanted' box (or forgotten to untick it!) which is why it's landed in this particular gallery Smile Although you'll get some indepth feedback on your image in here, you won't be able to get votes for your image as ticking the 'critique wanted' box disabled voting.

So, that bit's out the way now, and so on to your image!

I love it. It's got a beautiful serenity to it that's delightful. The complete lack of people in it is something that I find personally great as, although including humans 'for scale' is a good idea, I'm of the opinion that humans can muck up the scene sometimes Grin At the very most here, I'd want a lonely bird perching on one of those uprights of the pier. If pushed, I'd possibly be okay with a random human sitting on the end of the pier in contemplation or something similar - but only at a push!

And I love the fact that you've got 5 rocks in the foreground - they always say that things are better in odd numbers, and this proves it nicely.

Although I do understand your desire to add your copyright to the bottom left corner, we usually ask that people don't in the Critique Gallery because it can distract from looking at the image itself. Luckily yours is quite small and unobtrusive, but even so it's a matter of moments to remove it (as you'll see in my mod)!

There's a fractional tilt in the image, going towards the right, which I've corrected in my mod (and it was fractional - 0.5 degrees or so). I've also upped the Vibrancy of the image a little too. Although the softness of the sunset is delicate, in my opinion it could do with just a touch more colour. Nothing overboard, but just a hint.

I've also sharpened the image a little, as I felt it was a little soft. See what you think though - sharpness is often a matter of personal taste.

You'll find my mod, and any others that people may do, by clicking on the blue "Modifications" button underneath your image. Click through the numbers to see how the mods differ from your original uploaded image.

I hope you enjoy the site and all it has to offer, and look forward to seeing more of you work!


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thank you Tanya i did put it in the Critique Gallery as i have been only doing photography for 2years now and you can never stop learning from other people.
paulbroad Plus
11 127 1280 United Kingdom
16 Apr 2018 8:15PM
You will never stop learning! I've been at it for near 60 years and am still learning! This is quite good but I wonder why you used f29? Really not necessary unless you were after a long exposure but cannot see why you need it here. With such a wide angle lens, f8 would do and you then use the lens at it's technically best aperture which are usually mid range. The slight softness is due to the tiny aperture and defraction - thus trying to get maximum depth of field becomes counter productive.

It is a reasonable but not very spectacular sunset. the plus side is that the low light and slight orange glow reduce the risk of image burn out, reducing dynamic range, but the final result becomes a little grey and flat.

The other problem, for me, is that as an old PAGB judge I have seen this scene, or it's type hundreds of times and the lack of impact thus reduces the end effect to one of many. that observation is purely personal but you will always have more success if you image has instant impact and is a bit different.

banehawi Plus
14 2.0k 3991 Canada
16 Apr 2018 9:26PM
Hi Tracey.

I will add to whats been said.

You had the wide lens tilted, so the verticals lean quite a lot on the left, near the edge of the lens. This can be corrected in PS using the Lens Correction filter.

You used AWB, and likely, though Im not sure, shot in RAW, so the white balance will tend towards blue, rather than red/yellow as it would do if you used a white balance that matched the light, or shot in RAW where you can fine tune white balance.

The contrast is low, - perhaps the light, maybe the long exposure, perhaps also the very small aperture. Read about Diffraction and aperture size to get a feel for how the sharpness falls off with lenses as the aperture hole size decreases; lower than f/11 will usually start the slide, but this can still appear acceptable, depending on other circumstances down to f/16.

A shot like this one would be best shot using two different exposures, - one to get a deep, rich sky, and another to get a well exposed land/water and then combine. This is why exposure bracketing is a camera feature you can use with a tripod; its also why ND Grad filters are used to stop donw a bright sky for a more even exposure.

Ive tried to emulate this in the mod, treating the sky and land separately. Ive also added a piece of sky; lens correction necessitated cropping the sides so the logo was lost.

The vibrancy and contrast may ;look exaggerated, as they are, but it shows that you can take this image further.


mrswoolybill Plus
12 1.4k 2037 United Kingdom
17 Apr 2018 8:40AM
I'm a wee bit late here, but a warm welcome from me too.

You have excellent advice above. I'll just add two points.

This was I think taken with the camera at more or less eye level. Try moving it lower and you can cut out a lot of empty middle ground, without losing the atmosphere. This would give a greater sense of unity, create a relationship between the different elements in the composition. You will also get a more sculpted feel in the rocks.

Secondly, focal length doesn't just affect how much gets into the frame. The first thing I noticed was the tilt in the verticals, moving back a bit and using a slightly longer lens if you have one would reduce distortion, and also bring the background forward in the frame.

Just things to try out...
dudler Plus
15 827 1474 England
17 Apr 2018 10:15AM
The alter yo uarrive, the harder you have to think of somethign different to say...

But I'll begin with something that's the same: welcome, and I'm glad you psoted her on purpose!

After a course, especially somewhere so laden with subjects (and so free of parking spaces) as the Lake District, you really want to shoot more. And more. And more...

So a sunset is unmissable, of course.

The Manual mode is, I'm sure, because of the course: an emphasis on control and doing it all yoruself is often a part of things. It would be interesting to know who your tutor was, and how your learning is reflected in this shot. Everyone approaches things slightly differently, and emphasises different aspects of photography.

If you want the colours dramatic, the Saturation control in editing allows you to alter things, but I rather like the calm and understated look here. Exposure is right (thouhg there's usually a range of exposures that will give different looks, all of which are right, depending on the mood you want to show...)

I hope this is a conversation that will continue...

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