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St Paul's Cathedral

By FrenchFrog1994
Snapped this on my way to the tube station after visiting the Old Bailey

Tags: London Architecture

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SueEley 11 279 96 Wales
29 Jun 2012 7:01PM
You say, 'snapped it'. Bit hard to comment on. There is banding in the sky, suggesting that the jpegging may have revealed problems with the in- device processing. The composition is quite nice, but the verticals don't look absolutely vertical to me, and you could have made it a little more symmetrical, which would have been good for this kind of shot. The image is also not very sharp, particularly in the lower parts, and the dynamic range of the scene (the range from lights to darks) doesn't seem to have been handled well - parts of the sky are too bright, but the building is quite dark with some areas near black. A bit of a lift - some fill light in the darker mid tones - would be a nice way of processing this,

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I don't put my pictures on this website for someone like you to criticise them .... ' haven't been handled well ' ..such a pathetic comment ... I take pictures because I enjoy it.... If you don't like the picture then don't comment.. Don't need someone to tell me I'm crap ..... Don't bother commenting next time thanks
Sooty_1 7 1.5k 221 United Kingdom
29 Jun 2012 9:46PM
I agree entirely with Sue: the dynamic range of your device seems limited. There are plain white areas, but there are no full blacks, so maybe it is a touch overexposed. Compositionally, it is just a snapshot (your words), looking up and not really doing justice to the majesty of Wren's architechture. It is not critically sharp and looks like it might have been taken on a phone camera.

You give no indication of what you were trying to achieve, nor if you think you achieved it, so as it stands, it is JUST a snapshot.

PS: If you don't want to accept critique, then best not to post the picture in the "Critique forum"?
Just because you don't agree, does not give you the right to abuse someone who is trying to help you.

30 Jun 2012 2:42AM
Then disable the "critique wanted" need to get belligerent and rude to someone offering advice and help..
Focus_Man 7 481 631 United Kingdom
30 Jun 2012 9:57AM
You are a self admitted beginner (Your 'about' comments) so by entering the Critique gallery YOU ARE placing them for 'someone like you to criticise them.' If you really wish to learn may I respectfully suggest that you do place pictures here and you read, absorb and learn from comments applied by volunteers spending their own valuable time trying to help you to improve and to be a better and more aware photographer.
By being rude to a well respected member of EPZ means you have made a bad start. If you intend to continue may I suggest that you apologise immediately and then hope that in future members will continue to assist you.
SueEley 11 279 96 Wales
30 Jun 2012 5:04PM
I think you may have misunderstood. The camera you used did not handle the range of tones in the shot well. I did not say you did it wrong. I have had cameras which did not cope at all well with a wide range of tones and most have a somewhat limited range - this is one reason people use merge to High Dynamic Range (hdr) software. The shot has strong points, which I also noted. I will try to remember not to comment on your shots in future - I should imagine your name and your forthright language will help me do this. However, maybe the critique gallery is not the place for you?
banehawi 13 1.7k 3747 Canada
30 Jun 2012 6:03PM
Nathalie, aka French Frog, - you did in fact put this shot on here precisely to have people comment on it, though you seem not to realise this. Its called a Critique Gallery, - critique should be self explanatory, - if not, look it up.

Your comment is unwarranted, defensive, immature and inappropriate, and will be reported to the site moderators as such. In future, take a moment to read the page you are on, and if you want to learn to improve, than also learn to accept critique intended to assist you.

So now to the CRITIQUE part.

You have not uploaded any mandatory exif data, so constructive comment is difficult. I also see that you have recently exited the Junior Gallery, so perhaps you are not familiar with what to expect from the Critique area. You will receive honest feedback, if its not good thats what you will be told, and also how to improve. Its intended as a learning zone, so continue to use it and accept and use the feedback. First this is you must upload your exif/shot settings, - this is the core of a critique, - how you are using the camera.

The shot itself is showing quite a bit of noise in the sky, and the building itself in underexposed. This will happen when shooting up into the sky, as the cameras sensor will be influenced by the bright sky, and reduce exposre, which can render a darker subject underexposed. This can be addresses by using a positive exposure compensation to over ride the cameras decision, - and will result in a blown sky with a good building, or by taking a few different exposure on a tripod and combining in post processing to get the best of them all.

Ive uploaded a mod to show what I mean with the noise reduced in the sky, and the building exposure corrected.

Dont forget the exif data next time Nathalie, and if you work with the people who work with this gallery, all who spend their own time to help beginners and advanced shooters alike, and Sue is one of many, you will actually learn to improve.




NEWMANP 9 1.6k 574 United Kingdom
30 Jun 2012 7:24PM
i thinks Sues comments were exactly correct and that the critique gallery is a place where everone has the right to give their analysis of an image. if you think thats tough join a camera club and see how a judge will carry out his analysis. what she said was a fair appraisal and its better to have it dissected that way and you can learn from that and move on. by all means return with a comment on the appraisal but not an attack on someone who wants to help you progress.

the image was taken in poor light, thats the first point and from that point in time its hard to produce an image that is of a standard that would under most circumstances be considered to be a good record. shooting in directional light, soft morning light or late evening light all work well to produce tones and shadows to excite but there are times when other than bringing a snap record back of the day, its better to go back another time and admit defeat. from your pf im sure that you already appreciate this point so why draw antagonism by posting a shot like this without clear cut intructions on the areas that you would like to discuss.

once you take a shot in flat light with heavy mid tones, the sky will inevitably lose detail due to the limits dynamic range and no amount of tweaking will ever bring that detail back and will more often than not result in banding and artifacts in the sky.

however if you take pictures you enjoy thats fine but please tell us when you want an appraisal and you will be welcome but in the meantime i think from your response, you will find most people will live them uncommented.

discreetphoton 12 3.5k 20 United Kingdom
30 Jun 2012 10:00PM
From the terms and conditions of the site:

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We'll put this down to being unfamiliar with the site's ethos and structure for now, but please refrain from similar outbursts in future. Out of fairness, certain unfair comments have been removed.

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