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Stained glass (St John church in Bamford)

By xwang
Again, this is not what I intended to, but I think that it actually looks better than I intended,..Grin
There are a few technical issues here.
Originally I wanted to keep the wall as it is rather than black, but there are some noise on the flowers( at the bottom), and dark patches on the top,so I cropped the right and bottom off and darkened the photo with multiply layer.
Also, there are some unwanted magenta,green color on the top windows, due to HDR processing.
All comments and critiques are welcome. Thanks for viewing.

Tags: General Derbyshire Hdr St johns Lowlight Stained glass window Bamford

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19 Jul 2018 12:28PM
Excellent image!
leo_nid 5 12
19 Jul 2018 12:28PM
great colours and postwork for darkish look and retaining detail, but composition-wise i would prefer to see this image to be done in symmetry - just my 50 cents
banehawi Plus
18 2.7k 4314 Canada
19 Jul 2018 12:51PM
Can you upload the original image Jasmine?
derekp 11 1 5 United Kingdom
19 Jul 2018 12:57PM
I like the dark background, it agree that a more symettrcal image would improve the image. With some patient work, you may be able to highlight the lower parts of the two right hand panels using adjustment tools which would improve the Overall balance. Food for thought!,

cbrundage 9 4 United States
19 Jul 2018 1:48PM
I like the way the surrounding area around the glass shows some highlighting.
dudler Plus
19 1.9k 1947 England
19 Jul 2018 3:32PM
I actually liek V3 best. From that, my mod brightened by 0.8 stop, and boosted the shadows while pulling down the highlights in Adobe Camera Raw.

I rotated a degree anticlockwise, and skewed to get the verticals a little more vertical.

My inclination is to frame tight on the window, and the indicated exposure will usually be about right. However, the play of light on the wall is lovely, especially when lifted, as in the mod. Remember, stained glass was originally a glimpse of Heaven for mortals...

When shooting, it pays to stand back as far as possible and use a longer lens - this reduces the converging verticals a lot, and can often get by without any correction.
danbrann 17 640 17
19 Jul 2018 5:40PM
Good images and some super hints to help you.
leo_nid 5 12
19 Jul 2018 6:55PM

Quote:great colours and postwork for darkish look and retaining detail, but composition-wise i would prefer to see this image to be done in symmetry - just my 50 cents

sorry, when i wrote my remarks, i didn't know versions would ensue
may i suggest that versions 1, 2 and 3 work better for me.. in a number of ways
femape 5 Argentina
19 Jul 2018 7:00PM
Muy bien editada.
19 Jul 2018 8:38PM
Very nice image, great colours.

xwang 13 56 8
19 Jul 2018 9:17PM
Thanks John.
The MOD uploading are all Default images, since Willie asked.
True, I didn't pay much attention to take these photos. When I looked at the shutter speed today before I put the default images on, I realised that I still had margin to slow down the shutter speed a bit, so I could get the +2 one brighter.
I prefer stained glass with HDR, it has the richer color than single shot, but sometimes it has the unwanted colors as this one on the top, perhaps it was too dark.

Thanks Leo,
They are the default images before HDR processing.

Thank you all for the comments and advices.
banehawi Plus
18 2.7k 4314 Canada
19 Jul 2018 9:19PM
Thanks for the original set Jasmine.

The images contain significant horizontal distortion, as you shot off centre, so thats one area that needs to be addressed.

To me, the image looks more natural tilted backwards, as it suggest you are looking up (as you were).

As the HDR combination is causing an unwanted cast, I would suggest that one of these images alone, the V3, has everything you want once processed in Photoshop.

Ive used it for the mod which I uploaded. I used the adaptive Wide Angle filter to get the horizontals right first. Theres a ton of dynamic range in it that can be extracted.


pamelajean Plus
16 1.8k 2263 United Kingdom
19 Jul 2018 9:23PM
Hi, Jasmine.
You like to make a lot of work for yourselfSmile!
John's modification shows what can be done with just one single image, and it shows up those reflections on the wall so nicely.
I remember editing an image like this recently, with the reflectionsfalling on one side, and I did leave more space that side, feeling that symmetry spoilt the effect, and anyway, it can be a touch boring too.

I learnt some time ago that stepping back from a church window helps with reducing converging verticals, as John says, but, just like some buildings, it can look more natural when the verticals aren't completely straight.

Looking at John's modification, I can see the flowers on the ledge, which I didn't notice in your lead image. I wonder if a bit of fill flash would have brought them out a bit more.

We often see stained glass windows simply set against black, with no detail on the frame around them. Think about what you prefer to see, think outside of the box, and present something that little bit different. Develop your own style. I know from experience that you like to do thatSmile.


PS: Willie and I were typing at the same time.
dudler Plus
19 1.9k 1947 England
20 Jul 2018 7:32AM
I think that Pamela has said it - you seem to like taking hte long and hard route to do things.

I've re-read your initial comments, and I wonder if the colour cast (which I admit I can't really detect) is the result of how you've processed the image - the particular type of HDR software you've used.

Grain - I'm surprised it's any big deal with a 5D III at 2000 ISO, but the simple answser is to shoot at a lower speed. You don't need f/9 for this, or 1/200 or more, so it would be easy to reduce ISO a bit. And a bit of grain is not, for most people, a really big deal.

I suspect that there's more to htis story than I've understood even now...
xwang 13 56 8
20 Jul 2018 7:09PM
Thank you Willie, Pamela, and John( again) for the MODs and comments.

Quote:the colour cast (which I admit I can't really detect) is the result of how you've processed the image - the particular type of HDR software you've used.

Yes, It is. Software is Photomatix 5. I haven't done HDR for a while, one is the unwanted color, second is the clarity. If the light is too low and flash is not allowed, the +2(or+3) exposure one can be a little blurred, since I don't use tripod. Processing is deadly easy,.. the computer does most of the work and I choose the one I like, adjust the slider left or right a bit, and done,..
Grain: 5D has it, when it's dark or noise in the sky,..
The +2 single one has some kind of dark patches on the top of the window that I don't like, that's why I put a multiply layer on.
Promise,.. I'll be carefully taken another lot and make a "perfect" photo,in the future..GrinGrin
Thank you all very much again.
paulbroad Plus
15 131 1294 United Kingdom
20 Jul 2018 8:14PM
Basically with John. I am not an DR fan and have rarely used it at all, but you really shouldn't need it for stained glass. Unless there is more content than just the window, it should usually have a centralised composition with corrected verticals.


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