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THE BUSINESS MAN

By Tish1    
Thanks guys for your wonderful response to my previous upload 'Inspired By Willie Baneham'

This guy is a long term friend of, oh crikey, thirty years give or take and he's nine days older than me and, we share the same surname, and formerly the same profession, but we are not related. I was very pleased that he allowed me to photograph him and trust me when I tell you this is as relaxed as he gets, the privilege was mine because he is on the autistic spectrum and, suffers terribly from vanity and he wont mind me telling you that.

Apart from getting him to relax with the tried and tested method of red wine, the major problem I had with him was his skin tones, he has a lot of red in his skin which doesn't come out well in photography and I struggled to tone it down.

I am including some variants, some of which I have attempted to tone down the red in his skin tones, but I don't think it worked so well; my favourite of the variants is the mono, a) because it resolves the issue of red skin tones and b) it does capture his personality.

Apart from Tommy Chisel Chops, this is the first opportunity I have had to photograph a male model and it is very different from photographing children and teenagers.

Any help and advice re skin tones would be very much appreciated and of course any other critique that will help me to improve in terms of portraiture

Tish

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20 May 2016 4:08AM
where's the tie and the belt??? Wink
ddolfelin Plus
10 103 3 Wales
20 May 2016 5:45AM
To my eyes, the casual poses are outstandingly the best in the series.
I think your concern over skin tone is misplaced.
If you're not happy with the red content it's easy to modify in most processing programmes.
It's a good little series.
20 May 2016 6:30AM
I like your portraits. Your male model performed wel. I prefer the more casual poses, most of all V4!
As I have two sons with autistic spectrum disorder, that's why I realise that posing is not the easiest task trying to act natural for them...
When the skin tones are not as natural as I want, then I personaly opt for a B&W conversion. But I find the tones of your portraits are quit allright, not bad at all.

Cheers, Guy
brian17302 Plus
10 2 13 United Kingdom
20 May 2016 10:12AM
Great portrait images TishSmile
I also prefer the more casual poses of V4 & 5
LynneJoyce Plus
13 22 101 United Kingdom
20 May 2016 10:40AM
V5 for me.
Nikonuser1 Plus
9 172 16 United Kingdom
20 May 2016 10:51AM
A great set TishGrinGrinGrin

Cliff
20 May 2016 2:35PM
Like the mono best makes him more debonair somehow all the portraits are excellent.
TrevBatWCC Plus
13 13 19 England
20 May 2016 3:20PM
A great set of portraits, Tish - reminds me of Gary Kemp of Spandau Ballet...
I'm sure he'd love these Smile
Trev Smile
banehawi Plus
17 2.7k 4307 Canada
20 May 2016 3:58PM
V1 and V5 for me are the best of the set, nothing to do with ref, just the pose, and the likelihood youve captured some of his personality.

Assuming its the main image that shows the problems you worked with?

Since it contains white, - the shirt, getting white balance reasonably correct is not hard when you use the collar of his shirt that not overexposed.

This suggests very strong magenta and blue casts, with magenta being the worst of the two. best to do this in raw as you know.

This get the colour casts identified and you can correct the overall image first.

Then a closer look at his skin helps refine the corrections. The initial correction suggested too much yellow to counter the blue, so thats backed off to get the face balanced as per the Varis method. To me the result is that he appears to have a red toned skin, as you described.

Two mods are the result. His suit looks a lot more grey that blue in the mods, and that one way to know if youre on the right track, since you were there.


I will take a look at some of the others, but how does this look to you?


Regards


Willie
TrevBatWCC Plus
13 13 19 England
20 May 2016 4:05PM
You're currently the Featured Plus Member Photo with this, Tish! SmileSmile
Trev Smile
paulbroad Plus
14 131 1294 United Kingdom
20 May 2016 5:22PM
V5 for me as the stronest most interesting composition. Willie covers the colour cast issue and I wonder how you calibrated the manual white Balance? You have elements of over exposure on all of them, some more than others. You must expose for the highlights, then lighten shadows later as necessary.

There seems to be an issue with sharpness too. F11 should cover depth of field, but 1/200 might result in some double iaging if you had fairly bright ambient light and no tripod? You should use a tripod in the studio, even with flash.

Paul
capto Plus
10 7.0k 31 United Kingdom
20 May 2016 6:11PM
A well worked set.Smile
ivor
dark_lord Plus
18 2.9k 810 England
20 May 2016 8:52PM
The images of him in the suit do suffer from a strong blue/magenta bias, and the informal shots have a yellow cast.

I appreciate what you said about correcting for the skin. However, I don't see a big issue here, and in any case you can do local adjustments in Lightroom or Photoshop for example on just the facial areas, rather than a global adjustment.

The lighting is constant so you shouldn't need to adjust the colour on each shot. If you have a grey card, take the first photo of the session with that in frame and use it to set the colour balance for that session.

There are some very bright areas on these images, and looking at the exif suggests that the lights were very close and/or turned up too high. If you can reduce their output you'd avoid burn out. You may be able to reduce the highlight areas when converting the RAW files, though it's best to get the contrast range under control at the taking stage.
You may well need a small fill light or at least a reflector to lighten the shadows too.

Having said all that, the sidelighting works well with the subject. V1 is fine, after colour correction.
And V4 is a really nice shot.
dudler Plus
18 1.8k 1928 England
21 May 2016 8:58AM
V5 is my favourite, as it goes.

Monochrome avoids skin colour problems, of course.

All the colour shots look slightly off-key to me, and the technical stuff above explains this. I'm inclined to say 'don't overcorrect things that others haven't said are problems' - we often see faults that aren't faults in our own work.

The only downside for me, colour apart, is that the light from the left seems a fraction stronger than I'd like it to be. It draws attention rather than simply pointing up character (aka 'texture' - at least it is on my face...)

A good set.
TanyaH Plus
19 1.3k 411 United Kingdom
23 May 2016 4:29PM
Colour casts aside, and physically moving your lights further away from the subject, I'm wondering how (if?) you modify your lighting, Tish? Do you use softboxes on the heads? If so, do you have a honeycomb grid for them? Grids are a great way of limiting the spill of the light from a box and allowing you to get much more directional lighting.

Combined with a lower output, that might solve the highlight issue? (Of course, if you use one already then just ignore me!).

Of the image set above, though, I think Version 1 (the mono) is lovely, although a little soft. The other one I really do like is V4 - it's quite a quirky pose and shows character. That little glint of light in the left hand eye (as I'm looking at it) is just lovely. He's got a real twinkle to his eyes and a wonderfully impish grin that's infectious Smile

You should 'do' men more often!! Wink
Tish1 Plus
9 32 5 United Kingdom
23 May 2016 4:50PM

Quote:Colour casts aside, and physically moving your lights further away from the subject, I'm wondering how (if?) you modify your lighting, Tish? Do you use softboxes on the heads? If so, do you have a honeycomb grid for them? Grids are a great way of limiting the spill of the light from a box and allowing you to get much more directional lighting.

Combined with a lower output, that might solve the highlight issue? (Of course, if you use one already then just ignore me!).

Of the image set above, though, I think Version 1 (the mono) is lovely, although a little soft. The other one I really do like is V4 - it's quite a quirky pose and shows character. That little glint of light in the left hand eye (as I'm looking at it) is just lovely. He's got a real twinkle to his eyes and a wonderfully impish grin that's infectious Smile

You should 'do' men more often!! Wink



For all the years I have known him I have never known what his attraction to women is, but I have heard people say about his boyish charms and the fact that he needs Mothering, but impish, I think you've hit there Tanya, does bugger all for me, besides I'm too tall for him, but he makes a great drinking partner


Tish
TanyaH Plus
19 1.3k 411 United Kingdom
23 May 2016 4:59PM
PMSL!!! Grin Grin Grin
CatMouse 18 115 Russian Federation
23 May 2016 8:37PM
Nice lighting, well done!

Malik.
nonur 13 18 13 Turkey
24 May 2016 12:06AM
A set of great works.
29 May 2016 11:49PM
Well done Tish..Lin

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