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'The Copperman'

By Rose73
Hi,

I’ve uploaded an image of ‘The Copperman’ again. I tried using the healing brush this morning to get rid of the dark line on the headstone. Both Moira and Willie made modifications to the original upload which were excellent. I’m afraid my attempt is woefully inadequate!!

The settings I used for the brush were as follows: hardness 10%, spacing 27%, roundness 100%. I deselected the ‘aligned’ box, chose the ‘normal’ mode and ‘sampled’ source. I tried following the instructions in the book but it didn’t give any guidance whatsoever on what brush settings to use.

Can anyone give me an idea of which brush settings I should choose, and how to apply the brush strokes to get a nice even appearance? Thank you. Smile


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dudler Plus
17 1.6k 1846 England
7 Mar 2021 2:36PM
My suggestion is to magnify the picture in your editing software, and use a small brush. It can also be helpful to use the Clone tool to sort edged...

Frankly, if I hadn't been looking, I might not have noticed: while we often fail to see the shortcomings in our own images while others see them easily, there's a reverse problem - once we believe there's an issue, we fixate on it.

This is generally much better, I'd say. I might try using Levels to darken midtones to beef the whole thing up a bit.
Yeah! Tried the spot healing brush instead. The settings to choose from on this one looks more straightforward - just brush size instead of hardness, spacing, roundness.... Easier for my wee brain to comprehend! Its worked a treat. Thank you. Smile
dark_lord Plus
17 2.8k 769 England
7 Mar 2021 9:23PM
It's more technique than out and out settings that will get a result.

Generally, use a soft edged brush.
Work at 100% magnification on screen.
Work on a separate layer in case it all goes pear shaped'
Adjust brush size as needed.
Use Aligned as there's a fixed relationship between the sample point and destination. Withoutthat, easch time you release the mouse the sample region goes back to the orioginal sample point and this cauises repeat patterns of the cloning point which is a telltale giveaway.
Regularly change the cloning location if cloning a larger area than a small spot to avoid easily identifiable repeat areas appearing.

Exact settings will depend on the image area to be sampled so there's no 'best' settings though I tend to use soft edges and just vary size, it works for me most of the time.

Consider a mix of the Clone tool (irect samplimg copy and paste), the healing brush ('intelligent' replacement of pixels based on the sampled area) and the smart briush which I forget the name of in Photoshop but is the Inpainting tool in Affinity which I tend to use most of the time ('intelligent' replacement of poixls that the software deems approproiate without you needing to specify a sample area).
mrswoolybill Plus
14 2.8k 2408 United Kingdom
8 Mar 2021 9:07AM
The healing brush is very useful but needs practice. It can be a bit unpredictable, particularly when you are working on an area which, as here, is adjacent to distinct shapes and lines. Using it at the edge of the frame can also be tricky. I remember that I isolated the background on the right, feathered by a few pixels, and then used a brush that was broad enough to cover the dark line. But it took a few attempts.

If it doesn't work first time, before you undo it try again a time or two over the same area. Sometimes the tool will eventually get the hang of what you want it to do...
Moira
chase Plus
15 2.1k 562 England
8 Mar 2021 9:50AM
Hi Julie,
The method I would use, and do very often, is the clone tool, here I would set it to 'lighten' about 50% hardness on a separate layer.
Takes a bit of getting used to but used with layers can give good results.
Hi Keith,

I’ve uploaded the modification I did yesterday using the soft healing brush. There is a little bump left on the side of his hat but otherwise happy with it.

I used the healing brush first (not the soft one) yesterday and I chose 10% hardness. Would that be what you call soft edged? You’ll need to forgive my ignorance on the terminology of all this! I used 17px size – small brush?

I zoomed in a bit while working, but not to 100% so thank you for advising me on that.

I can see now the usefulness of knowing how to use Layers from what both you and Chase have said. I will need to learn how to do this.
I will also need to read up more on what you went on to say from “Use Aligned” down to the end of your comments. Its all a bit like double dutch at the moment! I don’t know how to insert a quote box yet into comments.

Thanks very much for what you’ve said here – much appreciated. Smile
Hi Moira,

You said you isolated the background on the right, feathered by a few pixels, and then used a brush…….
What do you mean when you say you isolated the background on the right? How did you do this? Is it using the Quick Selection tool you spoke of before when you can check what the feather is set to? I still have to experiment with that – I’ll do that next.

Using the spot healing brush, I did notice I had to go over a few spots left with the brush – but it worked a lot better than when I’d tried using the healing brush. When I went over the area again with the healing brush, it seemed to erase portions making them much darker or lighter again – probably due to what Keith said about me having the ‘aligned’ box deselected.

Just to add Moira that I had a go at using the burn tool on ‘Corrosion’ to add colour without increasing saturation too much. I was quite happy with the result. I also experimented with the horizontal and vertical flipping of the image – never tried that before. On reflection and comparison I decided I preferred the vertical flip. Thank you for your suggestions and advice there and about the different formats and how it affects the way you look at an image – where your eyes go. That was so interesting. Cheers Smile
Hi Chase,

Thank you for your advice about the Clone tool and using Layers. I’ve still to read and try out the Clone tool. I’ve taken a note of what you’ve said here about the settings you used, and will have a go at this soon. There is so much to learn!

I’ve just looked at your modification – wow! Looks perfect. Thanks Smile

mrswoolybill Plus
14 2.8k 2408 United Kingdom
8 Mar 2021 11:05AM

Quote:Hi Moira,

You said you isolated the background on the right, feathered by a few pixels, and then used a brush…….
What do you mean when you say you isolated the background on the right? How did you do this? Is it using the Quick Selection tool you spoke of before when you can check what the feather is set to? I still have to experiment with that – I’ll do that next.


Yes, I isolated the area of background to the right of the sculpture using the quick selection tool. My processing is generally as simple as I can make it, but I do experiment with brush size and feather settings until I get what I want. And of course what I needed for a reduced file will be different to what you need on the full size file. Allow time for experiment.

Cloning is the other alternative, and I reckon that with a soft out-of-focus background like this it works best with a relatively large, soft brush. Above all, beware of recognisable edges and pattern repeats.

Keep experimenting, you will learn more about your actual images like that, as well as about the software.
Moira
dark_lord Plus
17 2.8k 769 England
8 Mar 2021 3:45PM

Quote:I chose 10% hardness. Would that be what you call soft edged

Yes. 0% is the softest and 100% is a hard edge.

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