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By mac
In among my first entries to EPZ (2001) was another photograph taken at the same event (Version 1) and I got some pretty rude comments (examples below) At the time it did cause a heated discussion among members.
The consensus was “where does censorship stop and start?” Would Don McCullin or Larry Burrows get many of their photograph’s printed?
Has the climate altered some 18 years on?

Comments:
“I find this image to be absolutely disgusting. If its not your cup of tea, why expose the rest of us to this?”

“This kind of thing shouldn't be on here.
In fact, IMO, it shouldn't be on display anywhere.”

“Sad”

“Sick”


Tags: Spain Photo journalism Barcelona Bullfights

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debu 9 India
12 Feb 2019 1:03AM
Great capture.
Debu

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12 Feb 2019 4:15AM
And yet thousands of people go to bullfights in Spain and Mexico. And your version is very hard to look at. Poses the question of how far we should go as journalists in what we show. Had I pursued my first love, coming out of high school, I would likely have become a photojournalist....and, as photographers.....we are voyeurs.

Peter
12 Feb 2019 6:18AM
Great capture and V1 is my favourite.
Mike
bluesandtwos 9 386 1 England
12 Feb 2019 8:48AM
Kill to eat or to protect that which is dear to you, but do it as humanely and as quickly as possible.

I wouldn't go to a bull fight, or a fox hunt,I have no desire to see any animal or human tormented (my empathy gland is too large) but I eat meat. Read into that what you will.

If it takes graphic images of war, or famine, to promote change fair enough, but to promote torture for profit or pleasure is not a good human trait.Sad

Dave
Cephus Plus
14 2.5k England
12 Feb 2019 9:21AM
I love it when the bull wins.
dudler Plus
15 842 1482 England
12 Feb 2019 11:22AM
If it happens, then it should be documented: if we object to seeing things in this world, we should work to stop them happening.

The lead is a good action shot, and it shows the reasons why, and the reasons why not: a balanced view, all in one image. Courage and cruelty...

The question has to be about how ethical it is to pay money to watch - but you did, and sharing the result increases our knowledge of the world. And times change, people with them.

And it certainly makes it easier for me to never go to a bullfight, because you've done it for me, and got a better result (manual focus and all) than I would.
12 Feb 2019 12:21PM
I think we have to accept that there are always going to be things that we disapprove of, or think of as being "morally" wrong, or cruel, particularly when it comes to animals, and especially when we are dealing with a culture that is different to our own. One of the most popular outdoor pursuits in Britain is angling, which some think of as being cruel to the fish, fighting for it's life on a hook. Keeping birds in cages, Budgies, parrots etc. Horse racing???


Quote:The lead is a good action shot, and it shows the reasons why, and the reasons why not: a balanced view, all in one image. Courage and cruelty...


I agree totally.

Alan
mac Plus
17 1 Scotland
12 Feb 2019 2:01PM
I do not condone or like what goes on in the bullring but as a photographer, who while on a tour was taken there, should I not take any pictures as they may offend? What about deer stalking or grouse shooting is that not a form of inhumane killing as that do not guarantee a clean kill all the time.
Again, possibly photographs like the one I entered, and others has that not helped to curtail or end in some cases bullfighting?
Censorship where does it end a wedge is wedge not matter how thin the edge looks. Who decides what we can or not photograph?
Interestingly my question “Has the climate altered some 18 years on?” has been partly answered as I am sitting at more points than the six, I received then.
dudler Plus
15 842 1482 England
12 Feb 2019 10:09PM
Censorship is not something that I condone: occasionally, a warning of disturbing or explicit content ahead is kind...

I have, once or twice, read thaings I wish I hadn't, because they described real people acting in a completely inhumane way.

But to treat sharing information as worthy of censure (and censor)? No.
Chinga Plus
8 3 1 United Kingdom
12 Feb 2019 10:48PM
As much as I don't agree with bullfights, you caught the moment well.
Isabel

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