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Torn

By Nick_w      
The hardest image I have produced by far, not just technically ...

Sometimes we hide behind our hobbies and not address the real issues - this is my pay back time.

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Just a couple of thanks I won't name you so don't worry and I have listened to most of your suggestions. (The apple stays as it is Wink )

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What I will say is I have agonized about every component in the image - all have their reasons


Inspiration from the track "Torn" by Natalie Imbruglia and a Noelle Harrison novel.

Tags: Me Digitally manipulated Portraits and people Flash and lighting

Voters: clicknimagine, GERRYGENTRY, sut68 and 43 more

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sut68 Plus
13 2.0k 76 England
2 Jul 2010 1:20PM
A very honest image Nick and one I'm sure that wasn't easy to do from all aspects. My admiration goes out to you for doing it. A well put together piece too.

On a technical issue I just feel that all the main components possibly feel a little 'segmented' and seem to pretty much occupy there own space and personally I'd like to see a little more interaction with each other - overlaying each other slightly, just to make the story seem a little less compartmentalised, unless that was what you set out to achieve.

Love the idea of the handwritten lyrics, just wondering if there was a possibility of say duplicating that layer and setting it to 'screen' [at a reduced opacity] then having it laid over the whole shot [but behind your head], just to add a little more depth to the image? This would also help a little to tie the components together a little too.

Just initial thoughts and not necessarily to everyone else's taste. So please don't let them detract from a cracking image and one that deserves plenty of interest IMO.

Paul

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LesF 10 182 9
2 Jul 2010 1:46PM
Echo some of Paulís points Nick, very brave image to upload, admire you immensely, it is a fantastic piece of work by you Nick and as you say difficult on loads of aspects but the true pro you are I bet you have spent hours making sure it was how you wanted it and I think this is a first for you, yes Paul has pointed out things and I do agree on most but I honestly love it, congratulations hope you get the recognition it surely deserves.

LesF
Nick_w Plus
9 4.3k 99 England
2 Jul 2010 1:55PM
Thanks Paul and Les, to have in depth comments from people of your calibre is quite an honour. The compartmentalization was deliberate - but I love Pauls Idea of using the text in screen mode over the whole image (as well as the original Paul ??). Oh how I wish I'd have thought of that..

On the technical front, yes this is a first for me Les, I've found parts of Photoshop I never knew existed Wink
sut68 Plus
13 2.0k 76 England
2 Jul 2010 1:57PM
Yes - as well as, so it's still fully legible.
Nick_w Plus
9 4.3k 99 England
2 Jul 2010 2:13PM
Cheers Paul
2 Jul 2010 2:27PM
If it's the first time you have done it it's pretty remarkable.
Nick_w Plus
9 4.3k 99 England
2 Jul 2010 2:52PM
Thanks Andrew,

I have experimented in the past, but I've never completed a project to my satisfaction - well at least to a standard I would be happy to upload. I have always had a liking for surreal art (I have a large Dali print hanging in our living room), so I guess it was only a matter of time.
Richsr 9 91 223 England
2 Jul 2010 4:12PM
Like your creativity in this Nick, some good feedback too. Hope to see some more of these creations in the future.
Regards Richard
Nick_w Plus
9 4.3k 99 England
2 Jul 2010 4:29PM
There will be more Richard, but more as an interlude to my normal work, as its far more time consuming and draining.

I don't mind if anyone wants to say what message(s) they see in the image.

I may do another version for another day based on Paul's observations (and any others that come along). I honestly don't mind feedback.
TrevBatWCC Plus
8 12 10 England
2 Jul 2010 4:49PM
A brilliant - if not a bit scary I think - image, Nick. Think it was well worth the effort put in into it. Excellent quality work as always.
TrevB Smile
andy_AHG 7 106 6 United Kingdom
2 Jul 2010 6:19PM
Hi Nick - like the treatment that you've given this. The only crit I'd make is that the apple appears to float in the composition and the overall image may be stronger without it. However - I'm sure it's there for a reason. I'd find the listening to Natalie Imbruglia part the most testing! ;^)

Andy
chase Plus
11 1.1k 246 England
2 Jul 2010 6:41PM
Well done Nick for facing the deamons,not easy.
Paul has a good point about the script & that may well solve a couple of your problems in that area.
The apple...if you look closely the silhouette is good & probably an important part of your composition.
The timepiece is nicely placed & contributes well to the feel of this image.
Just a minor niggle is the slight haloing around the top of your head,perhaps the burn tool would fix that in a trice.
I see sadness in your face & relationships that have been forgotten about whilst doing 'other things'.Time is a hard thing to cope with & sometimes there isn't enough of it for us to feel 'complete'.
I like the colour palette you have chosen here,it seems to help convey the message.
Good stuff Nick,again,well done in more ways than one.
Eviscera 10 1.1k 149 United Kingdom
2 Jul 2010 8:31PM
Top marks for original thinking Nick and so impressed that you are conveying more than scene. An added string to your bow !

"I thought I saw a man brought to life
He was warm
He came around
And he was dignified "

You well know this is a tog site (so any crits will be from that viewpoint) but , from an artistic p.o.v , I think you achieved the perfect vision mate.

Not easy is it !
Nick_w Plus
9 4.3k 99 England
2 Jul 2010 8:58PM
Thanks everyone, really appreciate all the great comments. No it's not my usual image, tho I slightly disagree Dave all the crits are valid some more than others. As it's an important image for me I will be taking them onboard without changing the meaning.

As for been a photo site, yes it is but I've always believed photography is an art form - the only genre that I don't agree with DM is photo journalism.

I will certainly be delving into this again, I have a couple of more light hearted projects in mind.

Thanks again

Nick
Eviscera 10 1.1k 149 United Kingdom
2 Jul 2010 9:49PM
Wasn't knocking the crits Nick , they are entirely valid.

I have a view on the mono/colour preference in the arrangement , but thats your licence to arrange. Just meant as encouragement , for your future works in DM and conceptual art.
Nick_w Plus
9 4.3k 99 England
2 Jul 2010 11:30PM
No problem Dave and I realy appreciate all your help, tho as you say it's not easy and it's very much like marmite.

All that said the point I ventured into this has been lost slightly - the image was my way of conveying what I was thinking / feeling and why.
Eviscera 10 1.1k 149 United Kingdom
2 Jul 2010 11:51PM
Well , expand on "Torn" Nick , I quoted a few lyrics as a guess.

To leave it open to interpretation is fine , though you will have those who "dont get it" otherwise (been there) Wink

edit , Good start for an artistic debate , rather than techie chat .

Is it the decay and inevitability time brings ? the suffocation of colour ?, the significance of that particular hour ?

Could be a good new thread , and Im off to bed !
Nick_w Plus
9 4.3k 99 England
3 Jul 2010 9:47AM
Cheers Pete didn't see that one coming Smile
LesF 10 182 9
3 Jul 2010 10:31AM
Congrats on the badge Nick, very deserved

LesF
Nick_w Plus
9 4.3k 99 England
3 Jul 2010 11:06AM
Thanks Les.

A bit remiss of me - Dave part way there, I delibrately didn't expand as I was waiting for peoples interpretations. I knew it wouldn't sit easily with people (it doesn't with me) - it wasn't meant to, as I think you know. Between yourself & Janet you probably have about half the message.

Thanks again

Nick
ade_mcfade 12 15.2k 216 England
3 Jul 2010 12:34PM
Sylvester McCoy's Dr Who?

Wink

really nice PS work here Nick - well done
chase Plus
11 1.1k 246 England
3 Jul 2010 2:04PM
A deserved extra badge for all that emotion Nick,nice to see...well done !
Nick_w Plus
9 4.3k 99 England
3 Jul 2010 4:21PM
Really big thanks Ade & Janet.
Ian-Munro 9 200 15 Wales
3 Jul 2010 10:04PM
Nick, this is an area that I would love to experiment in and for me you have nailed this.

I do take on board Paul's critique simply because he knows his stuff. I do however have to tip my hat to an inspiring image.
Ian
Nick_w Plus
9 4.3k 99 England
3 Jul 2010 10:29PM
Thanks Ian means a lot as I've been a big admirer of some of your latest work.
And yes Pauls comments are extremely helpful, as always after all it's the only way we improve if someone of his standing can help a little.

I would like to say this image is a representation of a part of my life which is now passed. I don't always look this miserable, honest Wink tho it did bring back some feelings I thought had passed. I
Buffalo_Tom Plus
10 2.3k 9 Wales
3 Jul 2010 11:19PM
Superbly put together Nick,a fine composition.
Tom.
Alan_Coles 10 177 11 Wales
4 Jul 2010 2:09PM
Great maniplutaion and well presented.

If I am honest with you though I don't understand any of what you have put together and wouldn't profress to understand the message...it is all for you to know and be happy with what you have put achieved I think?
DaveU Plus
10 1.3k 123 England
5 Jul 2010 4:52PM
An excellent composite Nick .... it grabs the attention and holds it well. Technically well put together and so much in there to think about. I especially like the subdued colour palette and the silhouette of the girl in the apple.

As for the meaning then that's for you to know and us to interpret it in our own ways. To be honest, the meaning is'nt that important to me (obviously and quite rightly it is to you though) as I'm a shallow soul and just enjoy looking at images such as these.

You would'nt expect to get away without the odd DaveU niggle so here goes. Janet has already pointed out the slight halo around the top of your head, easily fixed though. For me the text occupies too small a space in the top quarter of the image. I'd like to see it more expansive, coming further down the image, maybe the left most margin even being behind the outline of your head. Finally, the torn sections in your face are a little "flat" in that I mean that the dark inner sections are too inky black and lacking in any detail. Maybe worth experimenting with a little shading in there just to try and add the impression of depth.

Niggles apart a quality composite and most enjoyable viewing.
Nick_w Plus
9 4.3k 99 England
5 Jul 2010 8:37PM
Thanks for a super critique Save

Nick
DaveU Plus
10 1.3k 123 England
5 Jul 2010 10:14PM
Nah, I'm Dave Wink
Nick_w Plus
9 4.3k 99 England
5 Jul 2010 10:26PM
Oh b*gger I'd never make a proof reader- or typist sorry Dave Wink

cheers

Nick
backbeat Plus
10 134 1 United Kingdom
6 Jul 2010 5:42PM
Top class imagery...a well desrerved HC

phil
MickyMc 9 8 United Kingdom
15 Jul 2010 8:38AM
Great manipulation
Mavis
Nick_w Plus
9 4.3k 99 England
16 Jul 2010 9:26AM
Thanks Phil & Mavis
17 Aug 2010 5:43PM
Great work in my eyes.

Carsten

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