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By Clactonian  
I was taken by the delicacy of this little wild flower during a recent trip to a local wood.

Tags: Flowers and plants

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paulbroad 10 123 1195 United Kingdom
3 Oct 2013 8:04AM
It's a nice simple minimalist shot, but really should be on the left third, not the right. I know composition is entirely debateable, but this doesn't look right.


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mrswoolybill Plus
11 1.2k 1793 United Kingdom
3 Oct 2013 8:55AM
The angle/placement/composition look 'right' to me. The stalk creates a rising diagonal (positive, dynamic), it's heading up towards the light.
I would prefer slightly greater depth of field, to bring those upper leaves a bit more into focus, because they balance the angle of the flower. F4 perhaps. The flower is leaning towards you so the stem would still soften behind the leaves.
But dof is very much about personal taste.
Clactonian 11 88 United Kingdom
3 Oct 2013 9:56AM
Thank you both for your comments and suggestions.
I have posted a mod having flipped the image Paul, but it looks very awkward to me.
I take your point Moira but apart from a bit of cropping and darkening to the background, the image is largely as taken and I'm stuck with that DOF. Maybe the lesson is to take a few more shots at varying apertures whilst I've got the tripod set up.
I'm not happy about the small fly whose wings appear just above the petals and that must have arrived between my focussing and standing back to fire the remote. I know I can clone them out and on reflection probably should have. It's a pity it didn't show it's face!
mrswoolybill Plus
11 1.2k 1793 United Kingdom
3 Oct 2013 2:27PM

Quote:Maybe the lesson is to take a few more shots at varying apertures whilst I've got the tripod set up.

Always a good idea to do so! Particularly when you have a subject angled like this, the results in terms of depth of field can be difficult to predict.
I'm passionate about shallow dof, for the way that it can isolate a subject and create mystery in the background. But to work effectively I think there needs to be a reasonable proportion of the subject within the same plane or at least a slower transition from sharp to blur. That's where a stem leaning in towards you presents a challenge, and why a smaller aperture would work better for me here. A stem standing up straight gives you easier control.
Regarding your Mod - no it doesn't work for me either. But again this is very subjective. We run a U3A Photography group, at yesterday's meeting I showed several pictures plus flipped versions, and there was very clear and strong disagreement among members as to which direction worked better!
banehawi Plus
13 1.7k 3769 Canada
3 Oct 2013 7:30PM
Mod1 is a 10 X 8, and mod2 is square.

Im with Paul on this, - if the composition doest work as it is, it wont work flipped.

For me unbalanced, though technically attractive. Now that I see that fly, it has to go, and is gone in the mods.

I imagine this was cropped from a larger image? Just because theres some visible noise I would not expect at ISO 250. So its not a problem, - just wondering why its there at all. Sometimes, when you apply sharpening to an image like this, and you include the soft background, it can amplify what little noise is there, - so try selective sharpening if this is the case.


Clactonian 11 88 United Kingdom
3 Oct 2013 11:12PM
Thanks for your interest Willie. Two points on noise. Firstly I didn't apply any reduction and secondly I was using a modest crop from a D2Xs which has a practical ISO limit of 400, so 250 is getting close. I personally don't worry too much about noise from a Nikon which is quite grain-like but maybe I'm just getting used to it!
I did however use selective sharpening in L/R on the flower head.
I must be honest I still prefer my original composition but then that is always a very personal thing and will always draw mixed opinions, which is what makes critiques so interesting.
I appreciate your time as ever.
paulbroad 10 123 1195 United Kingdom
4 Oct 2013 8:39AM
I didn't say it wanted flipping. That is totally wrong. It needs to be on the left of the frame. The left third.

The end product is that, as long as you like it, that is all that matters and subjective assessment becomes personal. Rules are made to be broken.

However, the rules say that anything facing in a direction should have more room in front than behind. This USUALLY looks better. Here, I still think it needs to be on the left as the balance is wrong as is.

One point here is if you are going to enter competitions. it is often better to conform to established rules then in order to get through the first few rounds of judging. in my judging life, I would reject this purely on those grounds.

However, back to bottom line. You do what you want to do.

Clactonian 11 88 United Kingdom
4 Oct 2013 9:17AM
I will obviously bow down to your superior knowledge Paul.
Thanks for your time.

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