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By PeterO
All the pubs are closed and tables are empty - seems all the people were mysteriously spirited away! Image Raw processed in Lightroom Classic and exported as Jpeg.
Trying to show absence and longing!

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dudler Plus
17 1.5k 1810 England
13 Jan 2021 5:03PM
'Absence and longing' - there's certainly a rather melancholy air to this image, with the empty benches and the raking sunlight.

I find the cut-off board on the left is a bit of a distraction, and that led me to think about the overall composition, and the elements in here. Do all of them contribute to the feeling and atmosphere? Would removing some of them increase the feeling of absence and longing? While I'm typing, Moira has posted a mod, and her comment may be up by the time I hit 'Add Comment' - I wonder if she has the same idea? The mod certainly suggests so. I'll stop now, and play with the picture...

mrswoolybill Plus
14 2.7k 2375 United Kingdom
13 Jan 2021 5:09PM
Welcome back again, to the site and the Critique Gallery, it's been a while!

Thanks for explaining so clearly what you were aiming at here, the lockdown experience is miserable but it's a part of our lives, of our history and with luck it won't be repeated - it needs to be recorded. And that covers the emotional experience as much as the physical reality.

Emptiness is actually quite difficult to convey when you want it, but empty seats tables are particularly eloquent and so is b&w. There were three strong elements combined here as I see it - the signs on the wall, so obviously aimed at customers; the empty bench; and the stark shadows. There are also a certain amount of unnecessary 'bits' - the strings of lights, the letters SE on the left. I've added a tight, taut square crop under modifications, it works better for me, see what you think. But it also occurs to me that moving round to the right a bit you might have got the a better relationship between signs and bench.

It's worth exploring the idea further when you get a chance to go out (I see no reason for not carrying a camera when I exercise). Locally we are preparing a lockdown time capsule for eventual burial, to include photos like this as well as newspaper articles etc. One day we hope to look back on this as remote history.

EDIT: And yes, John, I was thinking along the same lines as you... Wink

chase Plus
15 2.1k 541 England
13 Jan 2021 6:41PM
A very difficult emotion and feeling to convey, I think you are on the right kind of lines but not quite there.
With all the bits and bobs in the frame, the draped lights, the A board etc, the sense of emptiness has not quite made it for me.
I did a mod based on Moiras nice square crop but went a couple of stages further...
Coned away what was left of the a board, then ramped up the contrast for a really stark feel.
Nice attempt by you to capture an emotion.
chase Plus
15 2.1k 541 England
13 Jan 2021 6:58PM
P.S. I did convert the colour profile to sRGB which is the one recommended for the web in general.
pamelajean Plus
15 1.5k 2201 United Kingdom
13 Jan 2021 8:34PM
I have tried a modification that goes in the opposite direction, Peter.

Instead of cropping, I have extended the canvas at the bottom and on the right, and have very roughly cloned in some detail.

My aim is to give a wider view and extend the starkness of the scene. I also wanted to have space in the immediate foreground so that we feel we are standing back from the table.
I left the lights in because they gave me the feeling of wanting celebrations and yet being denied them.
Instead of brightening the scene, I felt like darkening it, but the mood I wanted seemed to be achieved better with a slight sepia tone.
I cloned out the A-board.

dark_lord Plus
16 2.8k 750 England
13 Jan 2021 10:07PM
My eye kept wandering to the top lef where he large sign is, so I did a mod based on that, cropping the big sign out. I left the small one in as it's not so dominant and plays a supporting role. It's meant the edge of the table gets cropped too, but you could remdy that by moving to your left at the time of capture.
Then the image becomes more about the triangles and shadows, bold graphic shapes. Certainly absence of human presence.
I think including the larger sign would work better in a wider view.
banehawi Plus
16 2.4k 4217 Canada
14 Jan 2021 4:08PM
Empty space works to show isolation.

Added a mod to show what I mean.
mrswoolybill Plus
14 2.7k 2375 United Kingdom
15 Jan 2021 1:52PM
Have any of the above comments helped you? Have we given you ideas to think about, processing suggestions to try? The Critique gallery works best when we get a conversation going, that needs your input too. It really would help us if you come back and let us know if any comments have been useful. Otherwise we are really operating in the dark.
chase Plus
15 2.1k 541 England
15 Jan 2021 1:58PM
As Moira has said above, it really would help us to help you if you responded to our efforts.
Did anything help or give you new ideas ?
pamelajean Plus
15 1.5k 2201 United Kingdom
15 Jan 2021 2:36PM
Hello again, Peter.
In your last 2 uploads to the CG you joined in the conversation and the resultant critique was far more satisfying for everyone. I therefore cannot understand why you aren't communicating with us this time.
PeterO 8 United Kingdom
17 Jan 2021 9:43AM
Hi sorry everyone a bit slow to respond. Thanks for the comments and the edits - quite right about the cut off sign board my eye gets drawn to it now it's been pointed out! Not keen on the darker edits nor reducing the 3 grouping to two, but plenty to think about, many thanks.
PeterO 8 United Kingdom
17 Jan 2021 9:48AM
Actually another look makes me think that what drew my eye to start with (the three angled shadows) could have been better reduced to two......! More thought rqd....
mrswoolybill Plus
14 2.7k 2375 United Kingdom
17 Jan 2021 10:46AM
Thanks for getting back to us Peter, it makes all the difference when we get feedback. If we have given you ideas to think about, for this file and for future reference, that's job done. It's often worth allowing oneself time to 'digest' an image, to go back and review it once the excitement of the moment is past. Different possibilities will emerge out of the fog...

One important bit of advice arising from this - always check out what is creeping in around the edges of the frame, discipline yourself to look beyond the main subject that has engaged your interest.

I hope we shall see more from you!
pamelajean Plus
15 1.5k 2201 United Kingdom
17 Jan 2021 2:19PM
Thank you for your welcome feedback, Peter.
So glad we have given you food for thought.
dudler Plus
17 1.5k 1810 England
17 Jan 2021 2:26PM
Thank you for the responses!

A conversation works best - it draws out more levels of thought and analysis - and sometimes of questions.

Would two shadows be better? Try and see - and consider the possibility of three shadows that aren't aligned in the rigid way that there are - though that would mean very different framing, and altering at least some of the subject matter included in the frame.

Like Gil Grissom's CSI team, you gain a lot from 'working the scene' - looking around for all the possibilities.
PeterO 8 United Kingdom
17 Jan 2021 2:42PM
Thanks all. Photography is simple - be there, make the scene your own and know your camera - but not easy.
dudler Plus
17 1.5k 1810 England
17 Jan 2021 7:27PM
A lifetime of fascination...

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