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mrswoolybill Plus
9 985 1499 United Kingdom
12 Aug 2013 8:16AM
Oh I think your inspiration has come back with a vengeance. Smile
Fabulous location...

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bluesandtwos 6 151 1 England
12 Aug 2013 8:24AM
Oh yes!!!

A brilliant image, I wanted to put a very expressive expletive in front of the word brilliantBlush but thought better of it!Wink

A truly excellent picture.

Briwooly 10 452 5 England
12 Aug 2013 8:36AM
Stunning what a great image

12 Aug 2013 9:33AM
A brilliant image.
rogerdoger 5 13
12 Aug 2013 9:48AM
Great Shot. Love the location.
Regards Roger
martin.w 14 438 22 United Kingdom
12 Aug 2013 10:12AM
Like the concept Nick and the thought behind it......but.....the lighting here doesn't work for me. Placed where the boy is, he would be almost a silhouette....especially as if you look at the door frame behind him where almost no light is hitting it. He would really need to be in front of one of the windows and the light (and shade) on him sorted accordingly Wink

As said, a great idea and one I would have no idea how to create.....but with a bit more work (for me at least) could be excellent Smile
SlowSong Plus
8 6.4k 29 England
12 Aug 2013 1:53PM
The depth to that corridor is impressive. What a long way back it goes, just like the boy. I may be mistaken, but unlike martin above I thought you'd rendered the boy just as you wanted him, sort of trapped in his present. It's not supposed to be real.
Top work.
BillyGoatGruff 9 191 199 England
12 Aug 2013 4:26PM
Ah....the Return of The Mojo! Wink
DaveU Plus
10 1.3k 123 England
12 Aug 2013 5:43PM
I think martin.w has said it all Nick .... at the moment it looks too much like a composite as the light on the figure just isn't right. Work in progress maybe whilst you get that naughty little mojo back in it's cage.
LesF 10 182 9
12 Aug 2013 6:36PM

Quote:It's not supposed to be real.

Quote:the lighting here doesn't work for me.

Quote:at the moment it looks too much like a composite

For a non composite / DM person I get confused with how or what these are supposed to be, are they towards reality or surreal, I look at them in my world of reality therefore I can understand the comments of Martin and Dave, but then everything else has that surreal feel about it then I get the not supposed to real angle.

Nick_w Plus
9 4.3k 99 England
12 Aug 2013 7:49PM
First of all a big thanks to Dave for the UA and Peter for the HC.

When I saw Martins comments this morning I deliberately left it to see others opinions. Hope you didn't get a splinter from that fence Les Wink (thanks Martin for such an honest comment)

I can see Martins / Daves point and to be fair I've made similar comments on others work. Most of my work (dms) are of a surreal nature, even here, the boy must have been on steroids, to be that height at ca 10. The idea was to freeze him in time, create a detachment from where he was grounded (hence the description), the lighting on him was designed with that in mind, light = hope etc. I knew after I finished processing this it would create debate. I had a couple of pms before Martins comment, from people I'd not even heard of before saying how much they admired it.

Does an image have to appear real? Of late I've admired images of models levitating (Bekah has some great examples). If I'd said the lad was lit with strobes would that have made a difference? As how often do you see in the real world someone with intense backlighting, and strong soft front lighting at different colour temperatures, but again this is very much in vogue (again something I like).

Anyway I do encourage real comments / debate on my images as that is what enhances all our work (I've marked Martins comment helpful for this reason). If my work Polarizes opinion, I'm happy, i much prefer someone to love (or hate ) my work than just to like it.

No one mentioned it but the annoying bit left of the boy as you look has since been sorted.
LesF 10 182 9
12 Aug 2013 8:48PM
It's ok Nick it was a metal fenceWinkWinkWink

DP_Imagery Plus
12 24 6 Wales
12 Aug 2013 10:36PM
Works for me.

DaveU Plus
10 1.3k 123 England
13 Aug 2013 7:21AM
Interesting to read your thought processes behind the image Nick.

Nah, of course DM work doesn't have to appear "real" but the danger is that anyone will slap something together with no narrative, bad cut-outs, poor composition and no thought whatever to lighting and shadow disparities and just excuse the sloppiness of their work saying that it was meant to look surreal.

Not that this image comes into the above category of course Smile
Nick_w Plus
9 4.3k 99 England
13 Aug 2013 8:07AM
I don't disagree with anything you've said Dave, funny when I do DM's when I get the lighting / shadows just right Mr E says I concern myself too much with the technicalities, but when I don't I'm challenged about the lighting not been right, not that I would ever mention such thingsWink
Richsr Plus
9 91 223 England
13 Aug 2013 8:32AM
Congrats on the HC Nick and some good F/b on these type of image
Regards Richard
chase 11 1.1k 246 England
13 Aug 2013 5:44PM
Works for me Nick,it is,after all,a composite & yes if you had said the lad was lit by strobes then perhaps nothing would have been mentioned about the was after all coming in from different directions as I recall.
Love the gritty conversion,he is well positioned in the frame...great flag !
Eviscera 10 1.1k 149 United Kingdom
13 Aug 2013 8:39PM
Bit late to the party Nick Grin

The observations (not concerns) about your overly-technical approach reside with some of your still life images where you invariably over complicate the weighting of the components. Their relationship to the whole.

Anyway mate ,

This image achieves what I imagine you set out to do, ambience, story and mood. The lighting dilemma isn't an issue to appreciate. Film noir etc , good theatrical.

You have a greyscale issue processing the composite parts separately.

One set is grainy , the other smooth and it doesn't gel.

So, add the elements , and then apply the conversion to the whole.

You could consolidate the whole thing using any tech thereafter , duplex,duotone etc.

Just a suggestion Nick , and I aint posting jack ***** till the click club finds a desert island to breed with each other and hopefully spawn some good photography.

erm Smile
Alda Plus
3 70 30 United Kingdom
13 Aug 2013 10:05PM
My first thought when I saw this was: wow, just wow! I read all the comments and then looked at the image again. I have to say I agree that the boy doesn't look like he's actually there - a bit 'cut out and stuck on' (no offence intended, really Blush) But I can see and appreciate the reasons you did it the way you did, and it is, regardless of anything, an excellent image GrinGrin
Nick_w Plus
9 4.3k 99 England
13 Aug 2013 10:36PM
Dave, get off your backside and get posting! Don't worry who votes for who, responses like I've had on this image are far more meaningful, I don't agree with all the points, so what? It's made me think, challenge why I did something, and actually reinforce my original ideas. It's really why I stay with EPZ because discussions really help improve your work, there are several images in my PF that are important to me in how I've developed, and nearly all are because of the considered critiques I've had.

On to your points, yes hands up I applied the conversion to the two elements separately, first and last time I've done this, and it is maybe what others have really seen but not articulated.

The still life's are improving (I think) but I'm only on the bottom steps of that particular learning curve (at least where I want it to be). But what I'm trying to bring to both the DMs and still life's, is a simple main message, but with subtle supporting bits, rather than elements fighting for attention.
10 12 1 United Kingdom
14 Aug 2013 9:11AM
Really like the concept of this, and agree with both sides of the view on this image. Think it's a really thought provoking shot. And I would like to see the colour version of it.

Nick_w Plus
9 4.3k 99 England
14 Aug 2013 9:34AM
Thanks Simon, in someways the discussions have overshadowed the message I was trying to convey, which is a shame - all the children that are left orphaned during war.

The thought process behind this was I was researching my great uncles death in bomber command during ww2, I made contact with relatives of other crew members that perished with him, including the daughter of one of his best friends who was only about 5 when her Dad died.

My own Dad was close to my great uncle, he too was 5 and remembers vividly the last time he saw his uncle, and in particular the shiney buttons on his uniform.

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