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where i live Bolsover. Buddy group


ok, i dont actually live in either the castle or the allotment. i have however lived all my life in Bolsover.

A strange place of contrasts, a historic market town with a rather nice market centre surrounded by magnesium limestone buildings . To the east side Bolsover faces the edge of the farming green belt and there are fields as far as you can see. It is on this fringe where i actually live. To the west it extends onto a limestone escarpment overlooking the Hockley valley with views across to the Peak district.
The castle stands on the west escarpment and like any other forming mining town there are allotments and pigeon cotes. They are out of the tourist views but they are there if you know where.

I kind of liked the tiers of society that these represent. one looking down on the other, both fiercely proud of their heritage.

Anyway its my home town and i love the place. it has its moments but so does everywhere else.

I was struggling for inspiration on this so after Ades kick up the rear yesterday i left work early to take this, so i look forward to and await your valued critiques.

thanks for looking

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BillyGoatGruff 11 191 199 England
18 Aug 2009 5:52PM
There's no denying that this is a well taken photograph, Phil.

Although I do feel it is a bit "nice" and there isn't really anything to lift it above the mundanity of a myriad of ordinary snapshots.
If however, as your text would suggest, your intention is for it to be a kind of socio-politico commentary or statement, then I think it would be better served and would have more impact as a monochrome or toned image, for the greater emotion that these kinds of images evoke in the viewer. Something else that may be worth thinking about would be the use of selective colour - i.e with only part of the image in colour. My persoanl choice would be to keep the shack in colour (or maybe just the broken pram), whilst reducing the rest to mono, thereby highlighting a kind of classical, aristocratic past with a the kind of in-yer-face-garish technicolour splurge of modern urban squalor (or something!).

My opinion, and apologies if it sounds a bit negative. It's not meant to; just another way of viewing/using an image such as this.

Cheers and click for the intent, mate!

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NEWMANP 10 1.6k 574 United Kingdom
18 Aug 2009 6:20PM
Thanks Bill an interesting point of view, a mono added for your troubles.
BillyGoatGruff 11 191 199 England
18 Aug 2009 6:33PM
That was quick!

I prefer the mono!
How about you?

18 Aug 2009 8:53PM
Billy's right on this one!
Looks alot better b&w.
Love the story behind it tooSmile
GrahamNobles 10 9 4 England
18 Aug 2009 9:35PM
A good write up Phil. I like Bolsover, on the rare occasions I've been there for the castle and for Carr Vale.
maryg 9 66 18 Scotland
19 Aug 2009 10:19AM
Hi critique buddy !
I find both the writing and the images very interesting. The mono version definitely achieves what you set out to do. Also the viewpoint you have taken seems to add to the idea of the balance between the tiers of society. I like all the textures in the allotment and feel the pram with the rusty bits could have been a focal point in a selective b/w with that part enhanced to bring out the rust.
Still to get going on mine.
Regards Mary
NEWMANP 10 1.6k 574 United Kingdom
19 Aug 2009 11:42AM
thanks everyone.
Thanks for the critique Mary and of course Bill. much appreciated. i know its a epz bomber but i kind of enjoyed taking it instead of the usual uncluttered pretty views. i suppose thats why this section is good to participate in one in a month.
Phil Wink
TrevBatWCC Plus
9 12 12 England
19 Aug 2009 5:29PM
Certainly a contrast of images in here, Phil! Well spotted and captured.
TrevB Smile
19 Aug 2009 8:21PM
excellent work.
ade_mcfade 14 15.2k 216 England
19 Aug 2009 11:14PM
I don't think many would have seen my "kicking" as it was in the CG forum, but glad it did the trick Smile

You've gone for the juxtaposition view like I did with the town hall - cracking idea, though different as this is more of a class based divide where as mine was an architectural epoch difference.

I actaully really like the old pram chasis, that's the kinda think I loved finding when I was a kid...

I digress..

So compositionally you are telling a story of divide, the fact the posh building is higher is significant - they look down on the poor alottment owner. I also like the diagonal relationship between them - I think this could be strengthen further by cropping a little off the right so your diagonal would go from the bottom right corner, through the 2 buildings to the top left.

It works as a piece of commentary - photojournalism maybe - but I'm sure it's not one for printing and putting on the wall, but that's fine, the nature of the challenge was more about telling a story than of producing a masterpiece.

Do they light the castle at night - if you shot this at dusk, then you'd get more of a divide, the bright posh castle and the really dark alottment.
NEWMANP 10 1.6k 574 United Kingdom
19 Aug 2009 11:37PM
thanks ADE.
Yes they do light it but the allotments are a good way down a dodgy lane in a very suspect area of town. being a wus im unlikely to go see. Wink
ade_mcfade 14 15.2k 216 England
20 Aug 2009 12:30PM
chicken Wink
Pete Plus
16 18.8k 97 England
26 Aug 2009 10:50AM
Great idea, but it does have the kind of "snap shot" feel. I think it would have been better to select an element of the allotment that makes it obvious what you are shooting and crop in tighter using a longer lens that would then bring the castle into more powerful position. So it really is dominating. Or even just this scene with a tighter crop off of the right.

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