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Whiskey in the jar (not anymore)

By kuipje  
Taken in Gaia Zoo in Kerkrade (province of Limburg, Netherlands)
A very nice Zoo in the hilly country side. The rest of Holland is flat like a penny.
Most of the animals have space and not have to live in "cages". This and other "gorilla" pictures weremade behind glass windows ( not so clean)
All comments/advise/tips always welcome

V2 is orginal

Title song "Whiskey in the Jar"by The Dubliners" (saw them live way back in '70 in Holland) (for all the people for DublinWink )

Tags: The netherlands Limburg Pets and captive animals Kerkrade Gaia Zoo

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PhilT2 Plus
11 566 32 England
10 Jun 2014 9:08AM
Cracking title and a fabulous shot................I prefer the Thin Lizzy version though GrinGrinGrinGrin
mrswoolybill Plus
15 3.0k 2465 United Kingdom
10 Jun 2014 9:28AM
You've done well given that this was through glass - the light was presumably fairly flat, which has helped! Your editing has given a bit more brightness, vitality, but I would prefer less brightness in the background. Let it sit back unobtrusively...

It's a pity that you have clipped the ears of the background animal. Given that they are clipped, I think the patch of grass above the head accentuates the fact, and I would actually consider a tighter crop at the top. Plus I would crop at the sides, the faces really are the area of interest and the flanks simplu dilute that interest for me.

Will try a quick Mod of my own based on V2.
kuipje 7 3 Netherlands
10 Jun 2014 12:16PM
Hello Moira
Thanks Moira for yout comments & good mod. Personally i prefer a bit more space on the left.
a. the expression on his/her/their face.
b. I was focus on the first animal with the tought to remove the other animal.
Afterwards when I was working on them I saw this. This happened also with this picture (it's not a great picture so I didn't put him in the Gallery)
See the little insect I didn't see him first.
A question about this picture, if I may.
How do you remove/ clone out the large with spot. It's rather large.
Can you give me advis/tip, if you can? Thanks
mrswoolybill Plus
15 3.0k 2465 United Kingdom
10 Jun 2014 3:34PM
I've added a comment on your other image, Modifications aren't enabled there so I'll add a Mod here if I can do anything useful.
banehawi Plus
17 2.6k 4274 Canada
10 Jun 2014 4:07PM
Underexposed is the main issue to address with V2. Its quite a good shot apart from that.

I dont know what process you use to get to V2, but the first correction should be exposure, then whatever else you want to to.

Ive uploaded a mod, and will take a look at the other shot shortly.

Its a theme common to many of your Zoo shots, - I wonder why? Any ideas?


kuipje 7 3 Netherlands
10 Jun 2014 7:04PM
Thanks Moira & Willie for your advise & mods on the flower picture. It's not a very good picture but I wonder how you could handle such a problem.
You were very helpful I gone try it out to get the job down and I will let you know the result.

About your question.
Most of the time I start with the RAW editor of Elements.
Do the Highlights and the Shadows first and than the Exposure when I think needed and one of the last thinks I do in the RAW editor is reduce the noise.
the rest in the "normal" Elements.
Second question
That was a hard one ( I had to think hard)
The only thing i can think of is my settings. I had it on "sunny" and most of the time it was light cloudy to severe cloudy.
If i am right the camera thinks he must the picture darker instead if I had put it on "cloudy" he would make them lighter.
At least that's what I feel what happened.
And maybe I find pictures darkerer than the really are when I work on then.

That's the story of my (photo) lifeTongue
Thanks again for all your attention, much appreciated
B & J (in that order Smile )
banehawi Plus
17 2.6k 4274 Canada
10 Jun 2014 9:12PM
Thanks B&J.

The WB does have some effect on exposure, or the other way around, but I dont think thats it.

Try using the Evaluative mode for metering for a while and see if it makes a difference. If not, try a camera reset, - its in the menus and rests the camera to factory settings; also resent all custom functions. There may be a setting buried in there that you forgot about that might be the culprit.

Love Whiskey in the jar!

Heres the real thing, only Luke Kelly does it for Dubliners:


dudler Plus
18 1.7k 1884 England
10 Jun 2014 11:07PM
I'm listening to Willie's link while I write...

The expressions are perfect, and I was thinking of both a square crop and Moira as soon as I saw the dead space on the left...

I do think that a slightly less square crop can work as well, but I really feel the need to make the frame narrower.

One of your best shots so far!
kuipje 7 3 Netherlands
11 Jun 2014 3:30PM
Thanks John for your comment and I agree about the space on the left but on the right I don't like to crop too much, I like to see some animals.
Thanks again
kuipje 7 3 Netherlands
11 Jun 2014 3:56PM
Hello Willie & Moira
In V3 I have tried to follow your steps and this is what I made of it. It's better than the original but not perfect but nor is the picture, but I know what to do next time.
Thanks again
B&J fromthe Cheese country (some pictures from above "de Reeuwijkse plassen" ( the lakes of Reeuwijk)

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