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Windy day in Tenby

By Bore07TM
Recently visited Tenby in Pembrokeshire, I noticed that as the waves were breaking on the South Beach section between Castle Hill and St Catherine's Island the wind was whipping up the waves.

Tried to capture this, from Castle Hill.

Originally shot in colour, but processed in Black and White due to flat light (dull cloudy weather). No tripod or filter used. Picture has been cropped to focus on detail.

How could it improve on the uploaded image?


Tags: Seascape Black and white

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Very nice monochromeGrinGrinGrin

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mrswoolybill Plus
13 1.7k 2099 United Kingdom
18 Jun 2017 11:03AM

Quote:How could it improve on the uploaded image?

That depends to a considerable extent on the original image and how you converted to b&w. Could you let us see the colour original please? You can upload it as a version as you have Plus membership, or as a modification.

Just looking at this as it stands, it looks to be nicely timed for the wave just about to break, with a mix of crispness and softness in the movement of the water. Aperture priority would not be my choice here, for a subject like this shutter speed is critical and it would be worth trying various speeds for comparison. But 1/80 second looks to have served you pretty well.

But the jump from light to dark at the top is odd, with some strangely hard cut-out edges to some areas. We do need to see the colour original, and tell us how you converted it.
Moira
18 Jun 2017 11:18AM
I've uploaded the original - I used B&W Treatment in Lightroom
mrswoolybill Plus
13 1.7k 2099 United Kingdom
18 Jun 2017 12:20PM
Thanks for adding the original! I'm still not sure how those hard edges at the top happened, but no matter...

I would make adjusting light the first priority, to try to get some contrast and a better sense of bulk and weight to the wave. then look at conversion and crops.

You cropped to give much greater importance to the wave but you kept a slice of cliff face at the top. I think this needs to be either a landscape image or a wave close-up, no half-way house. And I really like those dark ripples on the right of the wave, they have definite b&w potential.

I suspect that it may be one of those occasions when the view was great but really doesn't translate to a great image. But I shall go and have a play with this.

Back soon, I hope...
mrswoolybill Plus
13 1.7k 2099 United Kingdom
18 Jun 2017 12:50PM
OK, I have uploaded three modifications, as suggestions really. I don't use LR, I made a couple of basic changes in Elements then worked the b&w conversions using Nik Silver Efex Pro, part of the Nik Collection that can be downloaded for free from Google.

First of all I simply added a bit of brightness overall, then did some very gentle dodging on highlights, burning on shadows, with a large brush and just 3% exposure for both. That gives a more 3-dimensional feel. I also cropped at the top to get rid of that little bit of sky, and cloned out some red litter in a foreground rock pool.

Then I had some fun! I tried two different crops, going in much tighter on the wave and including the ripples on the right in one of them. In Nik Silver Efex, I used a film effect, Kodak ISO 32 Panatomic X, for dramatic contrast. I added some more contrast and brightness just for good measure, and a slight vignette.

I like both crops, the first is about the surge of the wave, the sucking back on the right. The second is more about the swirl of foam.

As I said, just suggestions...
dudler Plus
16 977 1536 England
18 Jun 2017 1:35PM
I've done a mod using Nik as well, and I looked at a coupel of different filters there before choosing the one I did. A matter of what brings out the tones best (and that is variable withing the control panel ofr each digital filter - a LOT of variation is possible!)

Going for mono if the wather's dull can be an exceleltn choice - you can boost contrast, and dull colours don't matter. It also allows you to draw out shape, form and texture better than colour usually does.

Cropping is also good - the little bit of sky in the original had to go, and further crops are optional... Often, as here, there will be varied pictures within each fraome.

In terms of camera settings, you are a little stranded between two stools: f/18 isn't a great aperture to use with MFT (a risk of diffraction taking the edge off sharpness), and 1/80 allows only a bit of blur of the fastest-moving spray (though that may be precisely what yo uwanted?). A neutral density of polarising filter would let you take this down, although that would be taking you into tripod territory, especially on a windy day.
mrswoolybill Plus
13 1.7k 2099 United Kingdom
18 Jun 2017 1:42PM
You should have a few ideas to work on here! John has gone for a subtler effect and has included some context.

The white froth is the key, I think. It conveys energy, and it needs to be bright. Think how Old Masters included seemingly random flecks of white paint as highlights, they give a sense of light and vitality.
18 Jun 2017 2:16PM
Thank you for mrswoolybill and dudler for your comments, from which I have learnt quite a lot as usual.

Thank you also for pointing me to the Silver Efex Pro software.

I decided to convert to b&w based on your comments of my very first post.

I think this was an occassion where I wished I had my tripod and remote trigger with me, although I wasn't too unhappy with the initial result as I managed to find a stable location to take the shot. Of course, if I did have the tripod etc, I could have got closer to the subject.

Having looked at all the mods, overall, I prefer the first one uploaded by mrswoolybill, but I do like mod3 which focusses more on the foam.

banehawi Plus
15 2.2k 4049 Canada
18 Jun 2017 3:41PM
If you want to catch the breaking wave detail, where the water is moving, your shutter speed is too slow here,

Use a much wider aperture to increase speed for a better result, f/18 is much too small for what is a scene that not very deep, and is shot at some distance.


Loaded a mono mod


Regards


Willie
18 Jun 2017 6:35PM
Willie, Many Thasnks for your comment, I think that I tried using f18 as I had read somewhere (online) that to get blurring of water on the coast - I now realize that can't believe everything you read on the internet!

I'm not sure why I used Aperure Priority, I think it may have been that without an ND filter I couldn't get a low enough speed.

I do have a version of the picture taken using shutter priority, but, from higher up Castle Hill, but I think it would fit more into the landscape category.
paulbroad Plus
12 131 1286 United Kingdom
18 Jun 2017 7:04PM
Small aperture equals slower shutter speed and it is that which gives the blurred water - subject movement. I'm not a great fan of milky water and here you need a rather brighter image and back light through the spray can look very good.

i would have stayed with colour and, frankly, gone for a crisp image showing the spray.. that is just personal, though.

paul
dudler Plus
16 977 1536 England
18 Jun 2017 8:19PM
f/18 will definitely give more blurring than a wider aperture: the interwebs are right about that.

If you were shooting RAW files, you could perhaps get a little more effect by overexposing, then pulling back in the conversion. Not ideal, but in an emergency...
pamelajean Plus
13 1.2k 2096 United Kingdom
18 Jun 2017 9:24PM
Your subject is the wave, Anthony, and it would therefore be better if sharp rather than blurred.

I like your original more than the cropped version. The rocks are interesting, the colour is nice and subtle, and the patterns in the sand deserve to be shown.
So I am going for Moira's first modification as being my favourite.

Pamela.

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